There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[Koko78]

5 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

500% is a little light for everything. You did not mention student loan forgiveness. Taxing the top 1% at a 100% tax rate is not enough to pay for just that program. Now, add in free college and free everything else.

 

Eh, student loan forgiveness is mere pocket change. The Federal Reserve can just print some more money to cover that.

[KRC]

3 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Eh, student loan forgiveness is mere pocket change. The Federal Reserve can just print some more money to cover that.

 

Or, just take it from the money tree outside of the Capital Building.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...the dam is bursting...………..

 

Rallies to reopen economy spread across country as officials urge caution to prevent coronavirus resurgence

By Tyler Olson | Fox News

 

A growing wave of rallies are taking place across the country as protesters demand that state governments lift their orders closing businesses and public places as soon as possible, even as officials urge caution to prevent a resurgence of coronavirus.

These Americans say they are suffering because of the economic shutdowns nationwide to reduce the spread of the coronavirus and are antsy to resume working and going out in public as usual.

The movement, which started with demonstrations in North Carolina and Michigan, has now spread to New York, Ohio, Virginia and Kentucky with more protests slated for the coming days even as federal and state officials are warning that rolling back virus mitigations efforts too soon will lead to even more coronavirus cases and set back the nation's response to the pandemic.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rallies-to-reopen-economy-spread-across-country-as-officials-urge-caution-to-prevent-coronavirus-resurgence

 

[shoshin]

39 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

I see it starting in either Michigan or Virginia. They seem to be the most asinine about instituting arbitrary policies.

 

As much of a piece of crap Cuomo is, he's not going too far off the deep end (though I have no intention of following his forced mask policy - a thin cloth covering does little-to-nothing to prevent transmission.)

 

 

 

Yes it does and you should wear the mask. 

 

These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[Koko78]

11 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Yes it does and you should wear the mask. 

 

These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months. 

 

A cloth mask/bandana will catch exhaled/expelled water droplets (containing the virus), not the tiny virus itself. Nothing short of a N-95 type mask will prevent airborne transmission.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Yes it does and you should wear the mask. 

 

These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months. 

 

...social IRRESPONSIBILITY has been growing exponentially for years......look at the "it's a hoax......Spring Break anyhow....Mardi Gras time regardless....et al" gang; …...it is repulsive to hear how retailers are being ripped off with store thefts...…..reminds me of the dark days in the 60's regarding looting...….so I agree with your assessment regarding rallies, but rest assured a component will surely be the socially responsible....certainly opening needs to be done carefully, but I fear there will be a "mad rush for the doors" similar to the start of Black Friday shopping......sure hope I'm dead wrong...…...

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I think he was going to veto their override... did he? This is the last I read.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I think he was going to veto their override... did he? This is the last I read.

 

 

…...neither House or Senate have enough votes to override his expected veto.....

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

…...neither House or Senate have enough votes to override his expected veto.....

Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[Buffalo_Gal]

10 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. 

What is odd? The override? Or the veto?  IOW, what came first, the plan or the override that forced the plan?

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. 

 

...I have 12 on furlough for our PA operation and 6 in NJ.......at least in NY, we are deemed an ESSENTIAL BUSINESS, operations continue.....175 field construction workers ...

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Don't mind the protesting. Just that people foolish standing too close or near each other.  Like President Trump phase's. Phase 1. 

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Don't mind the protesting. Just that people foolish standing too close or near each other.  Like President Trump phase's. Phase 1. 

phase zero really. It’s moronic. 

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

What is odd? The override? Or the veto?  IOW, what came first, the plan or the override that forced the plan?

 

Wolf has been saying his plan was coming this week. The Reps did it so they could make him threaten to veto a bill about opening the economy. Petty state stupidity.

 

Edit. Here is the Wolf Plan. Zero specifics. It  is crap. It may someday be good but it has a ton of nonsense. His plan has a ton of non Covid related dem dreams. It’s awful. 
 

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/gov-wolf-unveils-plan-for-pennsylvanias-covid-19-recovery/

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[Buffalo_Gal]

Michigan is gonna start reopening May 1st.
 

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said on Friday she is hopeful the state can begin to reengage parts of its economy beginning on May 1, days after facing a barrage of criticism for her strict measures to combat the new coronavirus.
 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Michigan is gonna start reopening May 1st.
 

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said on Friday she is hopeful the state can begin to reengage parts of its economy beginning on May 1, days after facing a barrage of criticism for her strict measures to combat the new coronavirus.
 

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....such a consistent "leader"......

[Q-baby!]

6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....such a consistent "leader"......

Is she a stable genius? 

[B-Man]

Strassel: Here’s Why the Democrats Keep Moving the Shutdown Goal Posts

 

 

In mid-March, President Trump announced his 15-day plan to shut down the economy. His administration’s hope was that we could “flatten the curve” and “slow the spread” of COVID-19. Toward the end of that period, the situation was reassessed and the decision was made to extend the shutdown until the end of April. By now, most cities and regions of the US, including New York State, the epicenter of the pandemic, have managed to achieve this milestone and Americans, currently ending our fifth week of the quarantine, are growing restless.

 

The Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel writes, “The goal of the shutdown was never to eradicate the disease—an impossibility absent a vaccine. The lockdown was designed to buy the health sector time, to make sure all the cases didn’t hit at once in a crush that would overwhelm hospitals, à la Italy.”

 

Politico reports that, according to comments House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made during a two hour conference call with her caucus this week, her conditions for ending the shutdown have changed. She said that “Trump was putting Americans in grave danger if he rushes to reopen the economy at the end of this month.” The Politico story said, “Until a robust testing and contact tracing system is in place, [Pelosi believes] it would be impossible for the president to guarantee Americans a safe reentry into their normal life.”

 

 

Knowing that the longer the lockdown remains in effect, the deeper and more prolonged the recession will be, Democrats would like to see it continue for as long as possible. They are acutely aware that a slow economy will hurt the President’s chances of reelection.

Strassel writes:

By these standards, no lockdown may end until the Trump administration can “guarantee” a “safe” world in which people return to “normal.” The feds must stand up a testing system capable of hunting down and snuffing out each new infection. There can be no more outbreaks, and reopening cannot “significantly add” to existing counts (and the press reserves the authority to define “significantly.”) The unsaid corollary is that Mr. Trump will be held politically responsible for reopening in any way that fails to meet these baselines—on the hook for each subsequent death.

 

More at the link.

 

 

 

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