LeGOATski Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Cinga said: Due to *HIPAA laws, that's actually none of your business.
RocCityRoller Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: My point is that wearing the mask is good even if it is not a law. Being smart and a good neighbor should not require a government to make us. Buffalo Timmy, I agree the government shouldn't make a law abiding citizen do anything, and common sense should prevail. So allow me to put this in perspective for you: Though I agree, that 'smart and good behavior' you note, and that the 'Karens' all over the USA try to call people out for, isn't backed by the FDA: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/face-masks-and-surgical-masks-covid-19-manufacturing-purchasing-importing-and-donating-masks-during Q: Is there a difference between a mask and a respirator? A: Masks and respirators both cover a wearer’s nose and mouth, but they differ in several aspects. Masks are loose fitting and may not provide full protection from breathing in airborne pathogens, such as viruses. Face masks (non-surgical masks) may not provide protection from fluids or may not filter particles, needed to protect against pathogens, such as viruses. They are not for surgical use and are not considered personal protective equipment. Surgical masks are fluid-resistant, disposable, and loose-fitting devices that create a physical barrier between the mouth and nose of the wearer and the immediate environment. They are for use in surgical settings and do not provide full protection from inhalation of airborne pathogens, such as viruses. Respirators are personal protective equipment that tightly fit the face and filter airborne particles to protect health care workers. They provide a higher level of protection against viruses and bacteria when properly fit-tested. This document does not address respirators. This CDC infographic explains the differences between surgical masks and N95 respirators. ****************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Buffalo Timmy, I also think laws and common sense should apply to everyone, despite their color or gender. From Lincoln County, Oregon: Face Covering Directive Order 6/17/2020—Face Covering Directive (signed directive in Supporting Documents—below) General directive: All individuals (I fixed their spelling) in Lincoln County are required to wear face coverings during any indoor public setting or outdoor public location where a person will be in within six feet of another individual, who does not share the same household. Exceptions: Persons with health/medical conditions that preclude or are exacerbated by wearing a face covering. Children under the age of 12. Children over the age of 2 but under the age of 12 are encouraged to wear face coverings but not required to do so. Persons with disabilities that prevents them from using the face covering as described in this Directive. These persons must be reasonably accommodated to allow them access to goods and services. People of color who have heightened concerns about racial profiling and harassment due to wearing face coverings in public. So the good people of Lincoln County Oregon, Democrat held btw, feel wearing a mask may be considered racist, so the laws apply to some people, but not others based on their color. I think there is a word or term for that. Help me out, what is the word when laws/directives apply to one race but not another?..... ****************************************************************************************************************************************************** Lastly, who is this Brandon Straka guy you asked? Why would he be singled out? On 6/18/2020 at 3:59 PM, Buffalo Timmy said: Does he have a condition that makes the mask difficult for him wear? Otherwise he should just wear the mask- him using this as his moment to shine makes him stupid. Buffalo Timmy, Brandon Straka is a white gay man who spoke out against the Democrat party a few years ago. He led to a movement called 'Walk Away'. You may have heard of it. His video eloquently led to many people having the strength to speak up. He has over 700k views and have led to thousands of Walk Away videos. It is where former Democrats and leftists have 'walked away' from the Democrat Party in recent years given many, many reasons. Why would he be targeted? I'll let Brandon speak for himself: Listening to it now is stronger than it even was back then. Thanks for bringing it up. Why would Brandon Straka be picked out? Thank you Buffalo Timmy for helping expose the BS guidelines to wear masks in public, the racial differences brought up in a society uncertain as to how to deal with COVID, but puts minority Americans more a risk if masks actually do anything, and for helping me bring up 'Walk Away' again. Solid days work Buffalo TImmy.
RocCityRoller Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/15/2020 at 6:39 PM, Koko78 said: Payroll taxes are paid by the employer. The employer is responsible for collecting the employee and employer portion, and paying it to the Fed government, and accounting for it on the 940/941 The current tax rate for social security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% total Only the social security tax has a wage base limit. The wage base limit is the maximum wage that's subject to the tax for that year. For earnings in 2020, this base is $137,700. Medicare is 1.45% for the employer and 1.45% for the employee, or 2.9% total. Employers are responsible for withholding the 0.9% Additional Medicare Tax on an individual's wages paid in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year, without regard to filing status. An employer is required to begin withholding Additional Medicare Tax in the pay period in which it pays wages in excess of $200,000 to an employee and continue to withhold it each pay period until the end of the calendar year. There's no employer match for Additional Medicare Tax.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 12:40 PM, B-Man said: Americans Should Never Again Comply With Pandemic Lockdown Orders. The obvious politicization and incompetence of our public health authorities means that people won’t listen next time the way they listened this time. Americans should do what they believe is in their best interest. Ideally they would educate themselves on the matter enough to make a decision.
RochesterRob Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Americans should do what they believe is in their best interest. Ideally they would educate themselves on the matter enough to make a decision. I still think that Cuomo is planning for a late fall shutdown although there are now more obstacles in that road. Does he make use of the state police to enforce it because he knows a shutdown will be met with great resistance?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I still think that Cuomo is planning for a late fall shutdown although there are now more obstacles in that road. Does he make use of the state police to enforce it because he knows a shutdown will be met with great resistance? If the statistics point to that being necessary in a localized area it shouldn't be a problem, but don't force those requirements onto western New York if the city is the issue. And they never really wanted to shut down anyway. You want to shut down NYC? Shut off the subway (and sterilize it while you're at it). If statistics do not warrant a shutdown his attempt will absolutely be met with resistance.
RochesterRob Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: If the statistics point to that being necessary in a localized area it shouldn't be a problem, but don't force those requirements onto western New York if the city is the issue. And they never really wanted to shut down anyway. You want to shut down NYC? Shut off the subway (and sterilize it while you're at it). If statistics do not warrant a shutdown his attempt will absolutely be met with resistance. What if his "data" points to a shutdown of Buffalo and Rochester? I still believe that it would not be necessary to shutdown the rest of the region but he may decide otherwise due to hospital bed issues or some other reason. No reason to shutdown Jamestown, Olean, Hornell, Batavia, Geneva, etc. but he may do so and he might instruct the state police that they are not allowed to be passive in the matter.
spartacus Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: If the statistics point to that being necessary in a localized area it shouldn't be a problem, but don't force those requirements onto western New York if the city is the issue. And they never really wanted to shut down anyway. You want to shut down NYC? Shut off the subway (and sterilize it while you're at it). If statistics do not warrant a shutdown his attempt will absolutely be met with resistance. manipulated numbers are not statistics to base policy on where are the "statistics" for recoveries and treatment success? you know the things that impact overwhelming the hopitals 2
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: What if his "data" points to a shutdown of Buffalo and Rochester? I still believe that it would not be necessary to shutdown the rest of the region but he may decide otherwise due to hospital bed issues or some other reason. No reason to shutdown Jamestown, Olean, Hornell, Batavia, Geneva, etc. but he may do so and he might instruct the state police that they are not allowed to be passive in the matter. As long as he brings the receipts I believe the vast majority will be accepting. It's unfortunate that the well is already so poisoned with misinformation, but that just amplifies the need for him to point to verifiable data if he expects reasonable compliance imo Just now, spartacus said: manipulated numbers are not statistics to base policy on where are the "statistics" for recoveries and treatment success? you know the things that impact overwhelming the hopitals As I just implied above, the well has been sufficiently poisoned and as such he should expect whatever receipts he produces to be heavily scrutinized. Not saying that's what will happen, but at this point if you want peaceful compliance you need a very solid case.
Cinga Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, spartacus said: manipulated numbers are not statistics to base policy on where are the "statistics" for recoveries and treatment success? you know the things that impact overwhelming the hopitals I was just going to say pretty much this same thing. All you have to do is look to the people who keep pointing to the uptick of infections while ignoring the declining death rate. 1
RochesterRob Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: As long as he brings the receipts I believe the vast majority will be accepting. It's unfortunate that the well is already so poisoned with misinformation, but that just amplifies the need for him to point to verifiable data if he expects reasonable compliance imo I don't see that. Despite what has been said by politicians among others the livelihood of many people are still hanging in the balance. Many businesses that do not run on hefty margins have a few months of income to make up and no doubt have creditors waiting on them to make accounts current. These business people are going to take every step possible to protect their means of living since the government will not do so. Banks are in a tough position as loans are not allowed to float indefinitely. At some point they will be forced to undertake unpleasant actions including foreclosure as banking laws require that loans have some degree of quality meaning they can be paid per a schedule.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I don't see that. Despite what has been said by politicians among others the livelihood of many people are still hanging in the balance. Many businesses that do not run on hefty margins have a few months of income to make up and no doubt have creditors waiting on them to make accounts current. These business people are going to take every step possible to protect their means of living since the government will not do so. Banks are in a tough position as loans are not allowed to float indefinitely. At some point they will be forced to undertake unpleasant actions including foreclosure as banking laws require that loans have some degree of quality meaning they can be paid per a schedule. To be clear, the circumstances necessary to bring another shutdown would need to be along the lines of multiple Buffalo hospitals at capacity, excessive patient transfers, and patients dying because of it. We're past the point of models or projections dictating actions and it would very much be reactive. 1
RochesterRob Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: To be clear, the circumstances necessary to bring another shutdown would need to be along the lines of multiple Buffalo hospitals at capacity, excessive patient transfers, and patients dying because of it. We're past the point of models or projections dictating actions and it would very much be reactive. And if I am some coffee shop proprietor or other business person who has a stack of notices on his desk about unpaid bills including a notice that I am two weeks past due on my home mortgage I am going to run my business until the cops come along to padlock me closed.
123719bwiqrb Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: And if I am some coffee shop proprietor or other business person who has a stack of notices on his desk about unpaid bills including a notice that I am two weeks past due on my home mortgage I am going to run my business until the cops come along to padlock me closed. The gym owners are still patiently waiting. But there may be a huge liquidation of gym assets in another month or so when they all go bankrupt. NYS will not even discuss gyms, no guidance, no mention of what phase they are in.
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, 123719bwiqrb said: The gym owners are still patiently waiting. But there may be a huge liquidation of gym assets in another month or so when they all go bankrupt. NYS will not even discuss gyms, no guidance, no mention of what phase they are in. Phase 4 is the final "phase." After that, it is an industry by industry decision by either Cuomo or the board of health. I stopped in at my father's nursing home last week and asked if they knew anything. The nurse told me it was the board of health, not the governor, who would be determining when nursing homes are open to visitors. If she is correct, who knows how long those poor people will remain in lock down.
RochesterRob Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, 123719bwiqrb said: The gym owners are still patiently waiting. But there may be a huge liquidation of gym assets in another month or so when they all go bankrupt. NYS will not even discuss gyms, no guidance, no mention of what phase they are in. The heat is on them plus a myriad of other small business operators with the need for the US government to step in and allow banks some flexibility on loans. This will not solve everything if a business has credit extended to them by another business such as a restaurant having credit extended to them by a supplier.
spartacus Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, 123719bwiqrb said: The gym owners are still patiently waiting. But there may be a huge liquidation of gym assets in another month or so when they all go bankrupt. NYS will not even discuss gyms, no guidance, no mention of what phase they are in. which is totally supported by the "statistics" https://forward.ny.gov/early-warning-monitoring-dashboard https://forward.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary-region The "statistics' clearly indicate that NY should be fully open When will enough be enough? 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, spartacus said: which is totally supported by the "statistics" https://forward.ny.gov/early-warning-monitoring-dashboard https://forward.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary-region The "statistics' clearly indicate that NY should be fully open When will enough be enough? …….sorry Big Fredo isn't done yet...………. With Legislature idle, Cuomo changed 262 laws in 55 days Cuomo invokes executive powers during pandemic to changes to hundreds of laws and regulations Brendan J. Lyons May 2, 2020Updated: May 2, 2020 6 p.m. ALBANY — In the two months since Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo declared a state of emergency on March 7, he has invoked the powers of his office to issue more than 25 executive orders in response to the coronavirus pandemic. The expansive orders have made hundreds of temporary but sweeping changes to state laws, including shutting down schools and businesses, as well as altering state regulations that govern public health, hospitals, nursing homes, elections, open meetings, court proceedings, purchasing procedures and child care. Some of the decisions have also raised constitutional questions, including Cuomo's March 20 order that directed New Yorkers to engage in mandatory "social distancing." It's unclear if that measure or others like it — which have been widely followed — could be legally enforced. https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/With-Legislature-idle-Cuomo-changed-262-laws-in-15240581.php Edited June 24, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 Texas Travelers Headed to New York, Connecticut Or New Jersey to Quarantine for 14 DaysVisitors from states over a set infection rate will have to quarantine, according to NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo New York, Connecticut and New Jersey will require visitors from states with high infection rates, including Texas, to quarantine for 14 days, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday. "We now have to make sure the rates continue to drop," Cuomo said. "We also have to make sure the virus doesn't come on a plane again." </snip> .
RiotAct Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 2 hours ago, spartacus said: which is totally supported by the "statistics" https://forward.ny.gov/early-warning-monitoring-dashboard https://forward.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary-region The "statistics' clearly indicate that NY should be fully open When will enough be enough? yeah, what happened to “flatten the curve”? It looks like the goalposts - surprise, surprise - have moved to “eradicate the virus completely”. 1
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