Punching Bag Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Imagine being shopkeeper who told customers you needed to wear a mask to shop and one of the militant anti-mask protesters want to buy something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 2 held in Los Angeles store fight over not wearing masks https://santamariatimes.com/news/state-and-regional/2-held-in-los-angeles-store-fight-over-not-wearing-masks/article_4af8c903-0f92-5c87-9b45-7c8bc9f367de.html Quote Los Angeles police arrested two men who allegedly got into a fight with store security guards who were escorting them out for not wearing face coverings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 6 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Next likely covid19 hotspot... full story - https://coloradocommunitymedia.com/stories/castle-rock-business-draws-crowd-against-public-health-orders,298725“ Unfortunately, I think this is going to be widespread - not necessarily from restaurants where the owners are scoffing at precautions, but from restaurants where owners are trying like h*** to do the Right Thing. Story from a local restaurant next county over: https://www.kmov.com/news/st-charles-restaurant-overwhelmed-as-customers-flood-in-dont-follow-safety-rules/article_a29f08e4-8f19-11ea-af34-57e287d0aa6f.html She said many customers acted as if the restaurant was never closed. “They're comfortable here so I think they just thought it would go back to the way it was and it's not like that right now,” she said. While every employee wears PPE, Schnaible said not a single customer wore a mask. "I didn't think it would be a problem, but it was so now we're doing where we actually seat people even at the bar so that people aren't congregating,” she said. Schnaible hopes the new rules will keep her restaurant open and under control. “I made a promise when I opened that I was going to take care of that, I want people to be safe but I want my staff safe too,” she said. 13 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Imagine being shopkeeper who told customers you needed to wear a mask to shop and one of the militant anti-mask protesters want to buy something.... This is where if mask wearing is truly a "personal choice" about "individual rights", the customer would politely refuse the offered mask, inform the shopkeeper he is taking his business elsewhere, respect the "individual rights" and "freedom" of the shopkeeper to impose health and safety regulations they consider necessary to operate their business safely, and leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Unfortunately, I think this is going to be widespread - not necessarily from restaurants where the owners are scoffing at precautions, but from restaurants where owners are trying like h*** to do the Right Thing. Story from a local restaurant next county over: https://www.kmov.com/news/st-charles-restaurant-overwhelmed-as-customers-flood-in-dont-follow-safety-rules/article_a29f08e4-8f19-11ea-af34-57e287d0aa6f.html Yes much news on COVID-19 I read today on St Charles County. it would so great if they could draw a line and separate the two groups. Of course the population of the one side would go down especially if medical personnel refused to cross line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Imagine being shopkeeper who told customers you needed to wear a mask to shop and one of the militant anti-mask protesters want to buy something.... If I was a smart shopkeeper I would sell them something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bad Things said: Holy cow. That's just insane. What a big, stupid jackass. It’s especially stupid when you stop to consider that when an AT-4 rocket launcher is used once, it can never be used again, so you are just carrying around a fiber glass tube just for show. You can’t get your hands on an unused one, which is good for all of us, but if you’re carrying around a used rocket launcher, even if it can’t do any harm short of beating someone with it, you are intent on one thing only: intimidation. Edited May 11, 2020 by K-9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: It’s especially stupid when you stop to consider that when an AT-4 rocket launcher is used once, it can never be used again, so you are just carrying around a fiber glass tube just for show. You can’t get your hands on an unused one, which is good for all of us, but if you’re carrying around a used rocket launcher, even if it can’t do any harm short of beating someone with it, you are intent on one thing only: intimidation. Totally agree.… plus if you need to carry that thing around to look cool, it kinda shouts out to the world that you have a small dick. Just sayin' 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bad Things said: Totally agree.… plus if you need to carry that thing around to look cool, it kinda shouts out to the world that you have a small dick. Just sayin' LOL. The ultimate in Freudian compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 https://www.msn.com/en-us/Health/health-news/doctors-keep-discovering-new-ways-the-coronavirus-attacks-the-body/ar-BB13SoPn Doctors keep discovering new ways the coronavirus attacks the body Man, this f’n virus is a monster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is where if mask wearing is truly a "personal choice" about "individual rights", the customer would politely refuse the offered mask, inform the shopkeeper he is taking his business elsewhere, respect the "individual rights" and "freedom" of the shopkeeper to impose health and safety regulations they consider necessary to operate their business safely, and leave. It's the same concept as "no shirt, no shoes, no service" right? Strange times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/Health/health-news/doctors-keep-discovering-new-ways-the-coronavirus-attacks-the-body/ar-BB13SoPn Doctors keep discovering new ways the coronavirus attacks the body Man, this f’n virus is a monster. "Awesome" does not mean "awesome" here. Very good article though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 As I was looking at this chart: https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report The NBC Nightly News just reported that the new cases in Georgia have increased 64% since the state began reopening. Can anyone reconcile these two things for me? I mean, really.......who are we to believe? (Besides the obvious “nobody”.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Augie said: As I was looking at this chart: https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report The NBC Nightly News just reported that the new cases in Georgia have increased 64% since the state began reopening. Can anyone reconcile these two things for me? I mean, really.......who are we to believe? (Besides the obvious “nobody”.) Would you happen to have a link to the NBC story? I just searched their website and couldn't find it. I agree with you all that it is simply shocking how different news organizations can paint such a different picture of EVERYTHING. During a global pandemic, nothing is more important than facts and the truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bad Things said: Would you happen to have a link to the NBC story? I just searched their website and couldn't find it. I agree with you all that it is simply shocking how different news organizations can paint such a different picture of EVERYTHING. During a global pandemic, nothing is more important than facts and the truth. Nope, just heard it on the news, but somebody on my college hoops board heard it and posted before I could, so I didn’t hear it wrong. This isn’t just a little discrepancy. This is TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PICTURES! Do you think Elvis might really still be alive and shopping at Walmart in Toledo, OH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) I can’t speak to the report being discussed. But Personally, I’ve found that a lot of state health websites lag a week or two behind in their data because they are only reporting the cases once they confirm them and that takes time (as it mentions on their websites). And county department’s of health are overwhelmed, which is slowing things down as well. augie - go to that website, scroll down just past the deaths over time, to where it shows demographics. Then click on the lab testing tab. notice how from May 1st till current there’s all those perforated dots? This is what it says about what those dots mean: Quote Illnesses may have yet to be reported Also, see this: Quote 14-day window – Confirmed cases over the last 14 days may not be accounted for due to illnesses yet to be reported or test results may still be pending. Quote A confirmed case is defined as a person who has tested positive for 2019 novel coronavirus. Healthcare providers diagnose patients with COVID-19 and they, along with laboratories, report the COVID-19 cases to the Georgia DPH. These numbers are preliminary and may change as more information is gathered on a person under investigation. Data during the period reported may be incomplete due to the lag in time between when the case was tested and/or reported and submitted to the Georgia DPH for reporting purposes. This delay can vary depending on the testing facility and/or jurisdiction. Ive found this website to be pretty accurate. They use preliminary data and it seems to more accurately reflect the real time case numbers. I mean, I can’t say for 100% sure it’s accurate, but since I’ve been following it I haven’t noticed any big discrepancies. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Edited May 12, 2020 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 58 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I can’t speak to the report being discussed. (...) Ive found this website to be pretty accurate. They use preliminary data and it seems to more accurately reflect the real time case numbers. I mean, I can’t say for 100% sure it’s accurate, but since I’ve been following it I haven’t noticed any big discrepancies. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Just a note that while for some states, Worldometers gives several sources, for Georgia the DPH is the only site given. A couple of other sites with good information: The Covid Tracking Project is pretty good https://covidtracking.com/data/state/georgia#historical We can see that on Fri April 24th, when the state began opening per gov. orders, there were 22,147 reported cases (per covidtracking.com historical data). There are now 33,927 cases, which represents an increase of 53%. The numbers off the Georgia DPH site are a bit different - 33,998 and 26,651 (which I would guess to be pending tests taken on that date but not reported when covidtracking did its data capture?), but still an increase of 54%. It takes some navigating, but the NYTimes covid-19 coverage is pretty good. Here is their link to the Georgia datahttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/georgia-coronavirus-cases.html And here is a link to their metropolitan area tracker https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/upshot/coronavirus-metro-area-tracker.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#rate-by-severity If we put in Atlanta, we see it is on a trajectory to double cases every 4 weeks, and has been for some time. Double cases every 4 weeks roughly means increase by 50% over 2 weeks, so since it's just over 2 weeks since Kemp ordered re-opening, I would say there has not been a significant change in growth rate in Georgia to this date. This is just my opinion, but absent really widespread testing, I think 2 weeks is too short a time to see any particular change. Each infection cycle will be 4-14 days. So even if a bunch of people ran out and got exposed on 24 April, we would only be starting to see them show up as cases right about now. Absent really widespread testing, since a lot of people are asymptomatic or only mildly ill, it may take several infection cycles to see a "bloom" in cases seeking medical treatment. Hopefully the majority of people in Georgia are still being cautious and exercising precautions and we won't see a bloom. 1 hour ago, Augie said: Nope, just heard it on the news, but somebody on my college hoops board heard it and posted before I could, so I didn’t hear it wrong. This isn’t just a little discrepancy. This is TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PICTURES! Do you think Elvis might really still be alive and shopping at Walmart in Toledo, OH? See above, but absent the story to give better assessment, I don't think it's really two entirely different pictures at all. Georgia was not seeing a decline in cases before it re-opened, and since it re-opened, taking Atlanta as a surrogate, it seems to be about on the same trajectory. NBC is off by about 10% or has access to some preliminary data if they said 64% increase in cases. But given delays in reporting pending tests and state sites updating, 10% doesn't seem like a different picture. What I think may be different is the "spin" being put on it. It sounds (from your reaction) as though NBC was like "Oh NOES 64% new cases!" without context that "yes, summing up the positive test results over the past 17 days, there are a significant number of new cases, but that doesn't seem to mean that the rate of new cases has increased" - I mean, with a case trajectory "doubling every 4 weeks", increase of 60% in 17 days is almost exactly what one would expect? I am personally not a fan of any televised news program these days because of "spin" in one or another direction and reduction of everything to soundbites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: See above, but absent the story to give better assessment, I don't think it's really two entirely different pictures at all. Georgia was not seeing a decline in cases before it re-opened, and since it re-opened, taking Atlanta as a surrogate, it seems to be about on the same trajectory. NBC is off by about 7% or has access to some preliminary data if they said 60% increase in cases, it looks like it's 53%. What I think may be different is the "spin" being put on it. It sounds from your reaction as though NBC was like "Oh NOES 60% new cases!" without context that "yes, summing up the positive test results over the past 17 days, there are a significant number of new cases, but that doesn't seem to mean that the rate of new cases has increased" Sorry, I’m just a simple man, and I prefer pictures to all the links and numbers. I boil it down to this. The graph below from Georgia.Gov does NOT mesh with a 64% increase per NBC in cases since partial reopening: https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report Who is lying, and how? (NBC just threw out a 64% increase since reopening like we are just supposed to take every word as fact with zero support.). The graph shows a clear and sharp decline. I don’t trust either of them, I just want transparency. Show your work! I want someone to look at the graph (updated throughout every day), and tell me how that represents a 64% increase since partial reopening. I don’t know what to believe, but I don’t see how that is close. Forget all the other clutter, just the graph, and a 64% increase. Not seeing it I’m afraid. What’s wrong with the picture? I don’t trust NYT, or NBC, or the state of Georgia! This is just frustrating to be purposefully misled by groups with different agendas. . Edited May 12, 2020 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report The 7 day moving ave of new Georgia cases does show a decrease at the time of re-open 14 days ago. As in NY, Atlanta may be the outlier in the state. As noted, the chart does show a continuing decrease in new cases, which directly contradicts the NBC "news" report 54% increase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bad Things Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) I could be wrong, but I think a few of you may be comparing an increase of TOTAL Covid-19 cases with Daily New Cases of Covid-19. Edited May 12, 2020 by Bad Things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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