DrW Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 8 hours ago, pop gun said: For everyone who thinks masks help, read this. What the good doctor who is quoted here did not take into account is that the virus is most infectious when it is spread in concentrated form, as in droplets or as aerosol. Individual virus particles will rarely do harm. Thus, comparison of the size of the virus itself with the pore size of masks is irrelevant. Even simple masks can significantly reduce the passage of droplets, thus prevent spreading the virus from people who are infected, but asymptomatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I assume this was brought up so forgive me i I’m being redundant. But cytokine storm’s potential role in Covid is interesting. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200417/cytokine-storms-may-be-fueling-some-covid-deaths 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Slowly but surely. Numbers improving 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Pathetic AF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 17, 2020 Author Share Posted May 17, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Magox said: Slowly but surely. Numbers improving In many places, Yes, especially the big sites of initial outbreaks. Cases are rising in Texas and really rising fast in Wisconsin. We will be starting from a large base of cases come the October surge. I’m worried about that considering what happened this spring started with so few cases. We need to open etc but it sure looks like we are setting up a huge second wave. We see it coming. I hope we are ready for it. Edited May 17, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, shoshin said: In many places, Yes, especially the big sites of initial outbreaks. Cases are rising in Texas and really rising fast in Wisconsin. We will be starting from a large base of cases come the October surge. I’m worried about that considering what happened this spring started with so few cases. We need to open etc but it sure looks like we are setting up a huge second wave. We see it coming. I hope we are ready for it. You sound pretty happy about a second wave, just to prove your right. Stop with the doom and gloom. We get enough of that from cnn and msnbc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, westside2 said: You sound pretty happy about a second wave, just to prove your right. Stop with the doom and gloom. We get enough of that from cnn and msnbc. Why would I be happy about it? We are celebrating case declines that happened because we shut down and now may stay slightly down because of weather. We know it will get worse, and barring a huge breakthrough, much worse in the fall. We need to be ready with rapid testing and tracing or our hospital system may get overrun and/or we will be back in shutdown mode. We also need to remain extremely diligent with masks and distancing (not shutdown—that’s not possible) to drive the cases lower and lower. Rising cases or level cases through the summer will set up a bad fall and winter. The “things thing is over” type thinking is naive at best, dangerous at worst. I want Trump’s advice to shut down to be the only time he has to drive that kind of thing. Edited May 17, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, shoshin said: Why would I be happy about it? We are celebrating case declines that happened because we shut down and now may stay slightly down because of weather. We know it will get worse, and barring a huge breakthrough, much worse in the fall. We need to be ready with rapid testing and tracing or our hospital system may get overrun and/or we will be back in shutdown mode. We also need to remain extremely diligent with masks and distancing (not shutdown—that’s not possible) to drive the cases lower and lower. Rising cases or level cases through the summer will set up a bad fall and winter. The “things thing is over” type thinking is naive at best, dangerous at worst. I want Trump’s advice to shut down to be the only time he has to drive that kind of thing. How do you "know" it will get worse? Do you have a crystal ball? Or is it "science" based? Like all those predictions of millions of people dying? Get back to me with your science when it actually is correct. Until then, stop with the doom and gloom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, westside2 said: How do you "know" it will get worse? Do you have a crystal ball? Or is it "science" based? Like all those predictions of millions of people dying? Get back to me with your science when it actually is correct. Until then, stop with the doom and gloom. He is not a scientist, and does not understand that the scientific method is applied horribly by scientists who are actually quite bad at their jobs. Not all of course, but it is prevalent. The climate change models that exclude the influence of the sun are prime examples of fatally flawed models promoted by its "investors". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, westside2 said: How do you "know" it will get worse? Do you have a crystal ball? Or is it "science" based? Like all those predictions of millions of people dying? Get back to me with your science when it actually is correct. Until then, stop with the doom and gloom. Putting science in quotes says a lot. We will finish the summer with 150K or so dead when we had our first single case in December, and after a prolonged shutdown. In September, we will have tens of thousands at least of active cases heading into flu season. You can listen to scientists or common sense. The fall/winter will be worse than the summer and will be set up to be much much worse than the last few months. The next 3 months are like Feb 2020 in that it is an opportunity. We need to take a lot of action so we are ready for what is to come. If by some chance things don’t get worse, what have we lost in preparing for what appears an inevitable case spike? A lot less money spent than we will lose from more shutdowns. I want to see a coherent plan for how we will be ready for the fall by doing smart things this summer. Working towards treatments and cures (“science”) is great but it’s only part of it. Edited May 17, 2020 by shoshin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, shoshin said: Putting science in quotes says a lot. We will finish the summer with 150K or so dead when we had our first single case in December, and after a prolonged shutdown. In September, we will have tens of thousands at least of active cases heading into flu season. You can listen to scientists or common sense. The fall/winter will be worse than the summer and will be set up to be much much worse than the last few months. The next 3 months are like Feb 2020 in that it is an opportunity. We need to take a lot of action so we are ready for what is to come. If by some chance things don’t get worse, what have we lost in preparing for what appears an inevitable case spike? A lot less money spent than we will lose from more shutdowns. I want to see a coherent plan for how we will be ready for the fall by doing smart things this summer. Working towards treatments and cures (“science”) is great but it’s only part of it. Do you suffer from agoraphobia? Serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, shoshin said: In many places, Yes, especially the big sites of initial outbreaks. Cases are rising in Texas and really rising fast in Wisconsin. We will be starting from a large base of cases come the October surge. I’m worried about that considering what happened this spring started with so few cases. We need to open etc but it sure looks like we are setting up a huge second wave. We see it coming. I hope we are ready for it. Cases are rising only because Texas has increased testing by 60% over the past week. Actual cases are likely falling as the positivity test rate is declining . Don’t fall for the media trap And to your 2nd point. Ready for what? You either believe in the data or you don’t. And the data tells us that the vast majority of the population are at no more risk of COVID 19 than the common flu. That’s what the data shows us. The solution is clear, give the necessary equipment and testing that the frontline workers need and pull out all the stops to protect the most vulnerable. Aside from that, practice basic common sense social distancing and let’s get this show on the road. This notion that we have to keep infections at a minimum while crushing the economy is simply put, stupid and illogical. As a society we just need to accept that the virus is with us and there will be lots of infections and you know what? We are going to be ok provided the government doesn’t compound the problem with these nonsensical extreme stay-at-home orders. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 You can’t use science to prove that the lock down is responsible for the rapid decline in cases and deaths, because we have no other ‘plan’ to compare it to. The scientific method is all about running multiple experiments and comparing the results in an effort to eliminate all other variables. What we do now KNOW is that this particular virus is especially dangerous for OLD people. And that it spreads rapidly in confined spaces, like when old people are locked inside. That much we do know. So....science would question why are YOUNG people being locked inside? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Hedge said: Well well well. Now isn’t this interesting. I’ve been saying this for a very long time. I would be surprised if the percentage was even higher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Well well well. Now isn’t this interesting. I’ve been saying this for a very long time. I would be surprised if the percentage was even higher. Bingo! Since the virus is apparently very contagious it goes to reason that by now almost EVERYONE in America is infected with it to some degree or another. So, if you die, it’s very likely your body contains the virus. But it’s NOT what caused your death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Sunday in Trumps America: 90,000 Americans are dead 1,500,000 Americans infected 36 million lost jobs Clearly no plan. Just the next day’s reality-tv episode and tweeting crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, BillStime said: Sunday in Trumps America: 90,000 Americans are dead 1,500,000 Americans infected 36 million lost jobs Clearly no plan. Just the next day’s reality-tv episode and tweeting crap. If this is where you’re going....prepare to lose big time in November. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: If this is where you’re going....prepare to lose big time in November. I love these threats. Keep calling us stupid and we WILL vote for Trump. You idiots we’re going to vote Trump anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts