stuvian Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 https://ca.news.yahoo.com/david-stern-nba-commissioner-30-212303643.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Best commissioner of any sport over the the last 30 years. Accessible, witty, loved a good scrap with fans or media. The opposite of Goodell or Bettman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, stony said: Best commissioner of any sport over the the last 30 years. Accessible, witty, loved a good scrap with fans or media. The opposite of Goodell or Bettman. Yeah? Buffalo lost their team with his help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah? Buffalo lost their team with his help. Myriad factors. Hardly blame Stern for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 He was the mastermind that dreamed this fiasco up on behalf of the NBA... "The owners of the Spirits, the brothers Ozzie and Daniel Silna, struck a prescient deal to acquire future television money from the teams that joined the NBA, a 1/7 share from each franchise (or nearly 2% of the entire NBA's TV money), in perpetuity. With network TV deals becoming more and more lucrative, the deal has made the Silnas wealthy, earning them $186 million as of 2008, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, and $255 million as of 2012 according to The New York Times. (The NBA nearly succeeded in buying out the Silnas in 1982 by offering $5 million over eight years, but negotiations stalled when the siblings demanded $8 million over five.) On June 27, 2007, it was extended for another 8 years, ensuring another $100 million+ windfall for the Silnas. In 2014, the Silnas reached agreement with the NBA to greatly reduce the perpetual payments and take a lump sum of $500 million. In the last few years before the lump sum agreement, the Silnas were receiving $14.57 million a year, despite being owners of a team that hadn't played one minute of basketball in more than 35 years. " a few have joked about how many profanity-laced meetings spent screaming at subordinates that Stern must have inflicted to face the music over 3 decades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I think he oversaw one of the greatest eras of basketball. Whats going on now is unwatchable and foolish. This midseason tournament idea if hogwash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, stony said: Myriad factors. Hardly blame Stern for it. Huh? He is solely to blame. He came up with the idea for the Braves and Celtics ownership to swap teams... Because Celtics owner wanted to move west. We became the out. They swapped, team moved. Sold right down the river to save the Celtics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Stern helped the game become a major sport in the US, Bird and Magic certainly helped the cause. Until the mid80s the Buffalo CBS affiliate would tape delay the Finals games on weeknights and play them at 2 in the morning. I remember staying up till 3 in the morning to watch Magic's game 6 in the 1980 finals and Bird's first title in 1981. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Absolutely brilliant leader. It’s funny seeing these other Sports commissioners in comparison to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Huh? He is solely to blame. He came up with the idea for the Braves and Celtics ownership to swap teams... Because Celtics owner wanted to move west. We became the out. They swapped, team moved. Sold right down the river to save the Celtics. Wait, we're blaming Stern for the fact the Braves were effectively the third tenant at the Aud? Freaking Canisius had dibs for prime dates ahead of the Braves. This wasn't conducive to long-term success. The league gave them time to figure this out. Unfortunately they didn't. I don't blame Stern for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, stony said: Wait, we're blaming Stern for the fact the Braves were effectively the third tenant at the Aud? Freaking Canisius had dibs for prime dates ahead of the Braves. This wasn't conducive to long-term success. The league gave them time to figure this out. Unfortunately they didn't. I don't blame Stern for this. No. Blaming Stern for coming up with the plan. Switch owners with another team. Heck, move Celtics to San Diego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, stony said: Wait, we're blaming Stern for the fact the Braves were effectively the third tenant at the Aud? Freaking Canisius had dibs for prime dates ahead of the Braves. This wasn't conducive to long-term success. The league gave them time to figure this out. Unfortunately they didn't. I don't blame Stern for this. third tenant at the Aud? LOL they had a solid team that was well supported, they were never getting past Big E and Hondo, then completely destroyed the talent in town overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, row_33 said: third tenant at the Aud? LOL they had a solid team that was well supported, they were never getting past Big E and Hondo, then completely destroyed the talent in town overnight. Yeah you're right. It is funny. Sadly, its true. Sabres had first scheduling rights, Canisius had second. Braves were third. 15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: No. Blaming Stern for coming up with the plan. Switch owners with another team. Heck, move Celtics to San Diego. That was never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, stony said: Yeah you're right. It is funny. Sadly, its true. Sabres had first scheduling rights, Canisius had second. Braves were third. That was never going to happen. College doubleheaders were fun to watch. Braves played a handful of games in Toronto each year, and good opponents, got to see Maravich and Havlicek Came close to the C's going west, they were garbage at this time, getting ready to steal Bird and Parish and build a dynasty to last a decade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, stony said: Yeah you're right. It is funny. Sadly, its true. Sabres had first scheduling rights, Canisius had second. Braves were third. That was never going to happen. So. Then the parasite has to find a host? It wasn't the be all. Braves were drawing decent crowds. 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: College doubleheaders were fun to watch. Braves played a handful of games in Toronto each year, and good opponents, got to see Maravich and Havlicek Came close to the C's going west, they were garbage at this time, getting ready to steal Bird and Parish and build a dynasty to last a decade They had plans to get a franchise in Toronto 15 years later... Just get Buffalo out of the way first. Heck, Dallas got a team in 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: So. Then the parasite has to find a host? It wasn't the be all. Braves were drawing decent crowds. John Brown sold off all the best talent after Snyder sold half his shares to him. Blame him. Writing was on the wall after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, stony said: John Brown sold off all the best talent after Snyder sold half his shares to him. Blame him. Writing was on the wall after that. Who brokered the deal? The leech. Funny how karma always gets 'em in the end. He sold out a city... Especially at it's most vulnerable time in it's history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Who brokered the deal? The leech. Funny how karma always gets 'em in the end. He sold out a city... Especially at it's most vulnerable time in it's history. The lease or the franchise swap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: So. Then the parasite has to find a host? It wasn't the be all. Braves were drawing decent crowds. They had plans to get a franchise in Toronto 15 years later... Just get Buffalo out of the way first. Heck, Dallas got a team in 1980. there were no serious plans for an NBA team in Toronto when the Braves and Celtics were cratering. Toronto brought in ABA exhibition games, the Braves, the Globetrotters, but nothing serious was even contemplated until the 1990s Edited January 2, 2020 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, stony said: The lease or the franchise swap? The franchise swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, row_33 said: there were no serious plans for an NBA team in Toronto when the Braves and Celtics were cratering. Toronto brought in ABA exhibition games, the Braves, the Globetrotters, but nothing serious was even contemplated until the 1990s Agree. But they saw where future markets would be. Emerging markets. Toronto was replacing Buffalo. At one time the two biggest Cities on Lakes, most important were Buffalo and Chicago... It moved from Buffalo to Toronto. It's now Toronto and Chicago. They foresaw it. Buffalo was imploding in late 1970s...The vultures circled... That's what Stern did. Circle. Edited January 2, 2020 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Agree. But they saw where future markets would be. Emerging markets. Toronto was replacing Buffalo. At one time the two biggest Cities on Lakes, most important were Buffalo and Chicago... It moved from Buffalo to Toronto. It's now Toronto and Chicago. They foresaw it. Buffalo was imploding in late 1970s...The vultures circled... That's what Stern did. Circle. Vancouver and Toronto just kind of popped up when the league wanted expansion, unfortunately the Grizz was stuck in the highly competitive West and couldn't get any grounding, the East was far more accommodating to a bad team. This season is possibly the first time in at least 30 years that the East overall shows signs of catching up with the West for talent?? I'm always wary of people who publicly present like a shy and peaceful grinning nice-guy but in private are raging loons with 10 curse words per 15 spoken..... Stern's outbursts were legendary... Edited January 2, 2020 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: Vancouver and Toronto just kind of popped up when the league wanted expansion, unfortunately the Grizz was stuck in the highly competitive West and couldn't get any grounding, the East was far more accommodating to a bad team. This season is possibly the first time in at least 30 years that the East overall shows signs of catching up with the West for talent?? I'm always wary of people who publicly present like a shy and peaceful grinning nice-guy but in private are raging loons with 10 curse words per 15 spoken..... Stern's outbursts were legendary... LoL... We now have publicly unabashed raging loons as leaders. Pick your poison. I will reach for the modicum of decorum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: LoL... We now have publicly unabashed raging loons as leaders. Pick your poison. I will reach for the modicum of decorum. lots of people in my life like to think someone is "nice" and that's all that matters, "he smiles all the time" people grinning without a reason are holding back an atom bomb of resentment and hurt, one day it will go kaboom! and i will never be convinced Michael Jordan wasn't coerced into some time off to work off outside "issues" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Corrupt officiating flourished under Stern, not a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Troll Toll said: Corrupt officiating flourished under Stern, not a fan. one needed those extra two steps to help sell shoes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 RIP Thank you for your contribution to the game of basketball. My heartfelt condolences to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobilz Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Aww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Simmons and Russillo gave a good podcast, noting Stern was a walking encyclopedia of the NBA from around 1969 to his leaving which helped him with issues arising that he knew the digital world was where it was heading, well before the other sports caught on and that he was likely the last commish ever to run an organization, when he took over about 4 NBA owners had a clue, but as time went on successful billionaires came in that had no desire to listen to Stern. As well as their dealings with him good and bad, but fair Edited January 5, 2020 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 3:37 AM, stony said: Best commissioner of any sport over the the last 30 years. Accessible, witty, loved a good scrap with fans or media. The opposite of Goodell or Bettman. Tell that to Sonics fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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