John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: You’ve said this company line in the past in reference to many busts. Its losing its kick. Thats what the analytics nerds say. You dont call rookie players busts.....its common sense. If they end up being busts....so be it.....but to say a player is a bust without even watching them for a full season is just stupid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You dont call rookie players busts.....its common sense. If they end up being busts....so be it.....but to say a player is a bust without even watching them for a full season is just stupid Wasnt foolish when it was said about Zay ✊? Maybe you can can talk to coach and ask him for more PT. The bust-o-meter is picking up some signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Wasnt foolish when it was said about Zay ✊? Maybe you can can talk to coach and ask him for more PT. The bust-o-meter is picking up some signals. Teddy, Players dont pan out.....it happens....players also have a lot of potential and get better. I think Oliver is def a candidate for that....especially when he has been graded as one of our best run defenders already? He comes to us with insane freak physical ability.....but a bit raw in pass rush tools...which can be taught. You dont label a player like that a bust. If you want to be upset he has not given us production equiv to his draft position....there is an arguement for that. The DT drafted ahead of him has been even worse....this was supposed to be a draft rich in defensive linemen.....we took a DL in that draft. I like that philosophy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The DT drafted ahead of him has been even worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 47 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: One guy keeps making plays though. He’s a seahawk What do you see that I am missing ? You're investing in a guy who has the potential to be a dominant pass rushing 3 tech DT. This investment will pay off; defensive line is a big transition from college because the pro o-linemen are better than anything Oliver saw in college. A WR is a little easier; understand the routes, run them and catch the ball. 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Lol wut If it was up to you, we wouldn't even draft defensive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: You're investing in a guy who has the potential to be a dominant pass rushing 3 tech DT. This investment will pay off; defensive line is a big transition from college because the pro o-linemen are better than anything Oliver saw in college. A WR is a little easier; understand the routes, run them and catch the ball. If it was up to you, we wouldn't even draft defensive players. I wouldn't draft a DT in the top 10, correct. DE, sure. But not DT. Edited November 7, 2019 by Joe in Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I wouldn't draft a DT in the top 10, correct. DE, sure. But not DT. even though McD love those penetrating DTs? Kid needs time , not all do.but he does. let us be gracious enough to allow him a season or so. Edited November 7, 2019 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I think Oliver just needs to bulk up into the low 300 range. Oliver is physically gifted but he is a very young rookie and a starter. It wouldn’t surprise me to see slight improvements in his game as the season goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Wasnt foolish when it was said about Zay ✊? Maybe you can can talk to coach and ask him for more PT. The bust-o-meter is picking up some signals. Hasn't Zay been good in Oakland? He is not a bust just a guy in wrong system. Bust is out of league in three years and Zay will be in league for 8 years or more. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.silverandblackpride.com/platform/amp/2019/11/4/20947559/week-9-snap-counts-zay-jones-leads-all-offensive-weapons-in-snaps&ved=2ahUKEwjevOzbkdflAhUQbKwKHYfHAjkQiJQBMAJ6BAgCEAM&usg=AOvVaw2ZsY4B9VZ8XKV_EIigbTzW&cf=1 55 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I think Oliver just needs to bulk up into the low 300 range. Oliver is physically gifted but he is a very young rookie and a starter. It wouldn’t surprise me to see slight improvements in his game as the season goes on. How does one bulk up a dude who is already 285? How many wings? 200 a night? ? Edited November 7, 2019 by Buffalo Timmy Added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Snap counts ^^ ??? He catch any footballs ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Snap counts ^^ ??? He catch any footballs ? zay is a marginal 4 in oakland and that’s most likely where he’ll stay, barring the guys ahead of him getting all 6 of their knees blown out. Oliver, I obviously have higher hopes for. We’ll see. But if Phillips is playing better right now Phillips should play. And that doesn’t make Oliver a bust (yet.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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