ICE Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 All I can think about is getting on that flight Saturday morning! good job TD on getting Schobel signed. He will be good for 10 sacks a year for the next 3-4 years. Get some help on the other side and solidify the OL and we are in damn good shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Umm Schobel is overrated. Plain and simple. He's an average player at best. His sacks are due more to solid coverage than anything else. He's a good player, no doubt. A $28 million player? No way. For my money, I'd rather extend Pat Williams who while older, still wreaks havock in the middle of that defensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxboro Mike Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 That's an insane amount of money for an average DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 That's an insane amount of money for an average DE. 22283[/snapback] I dont care......he's the best on our roster and going into next season without a #1 pick and the possiblity of Ryan Dummey at RDE ,or LDE for that matter, as the starter scared the hell out of me!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 That's an insane amount of money for an average DE. 22283[/snapback] I'm afraid you are correct... he better step it up this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Aaron schobel is as overrated as Kearse, Wistrom, or Peppers. I like the move TD made. An important piece of the puzzle will be around. i was getting upset at the fact all of our good talent always left the team. It's the first time in a while we were able to keep any talent around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarkinBanks Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I know there are more to stats than just sacks, but Schobel's deal looks like money well spent to me: Jevon Kearse: $66 million, six-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles that includes a $16 million signing bonus. 10 sacks in 2003. Grant Wistrom: $33-million deal, six year deal with the Seattle Seahawks that includes a $14M signing bonus. 8 sacks in 2003. Adewale Ogunleye: $33 million, six year deal with the Chicago Bears. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus. 15 sacks in 2003. Aaron Schobel: $28 million, six year deal. Schobel received a $7 million signing bonus and will also earn a $2 million roster bonus next spring. 12 sacks in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Umm Schobel is overrated. Plain and simple. He's an average player at best. His sacks are due more to solid coverage than anything else. He's a good player, no doubt. A $28 million player? No way. For my money, I'd rather extend Pat Williams who while older, still wreaks havock in the middle of that defensive line. 22280[/snapback] And what exactly do you think the going rate for a slightly above average DE will be in 2008-2009 ? I think 5 mil per year looks like a pretty resonable deal. I'd bet you he'd have gotten atleast 1.5 x that amount on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 And what exactly do you think the going rate for a slightly above average DE will be in 2008-2009 ? I think 5 mil per year looks like a pretty resonable deal. I'd bet you he'd have gotten atleast 1.5 x that amount on the open market. 22311[/snapback] And that shows his commitment to being in buffalo for the next 3-4 years... Aaron thank you. Now go get the sack against Leftwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I know there are more to stats than just sacks, but Schobel's deal looks like money well spent to me: Jevon Kearse: $66 million, six-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles that includes a $16 million signing bonus. 10 sacks in 2003. Grant Wistrom: $33-million deal, six year deal with the Seattle Seahawks that includes a $14M signing bonus. 8 sacks in 2003. Adewale Ogunleye: $33 million, six year deal with the Chicago Bears. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus. 15 sacks in 2003. Aaron Schobel: $28 million, six year deal. Schobel received a $7 million signing bonus and will also earn a $2 million roster bonus next spring. 12 sacks in 2003. 22310[/snapback] I guess when you look at those numbers, it was a decent deal for TD... though I still want AS to pick up his game and become a complete DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I guess when you look at those numbers, it was a decent deal for TD...though I still want AS to pick up his game and become a complete DE. 22321[/snapback] Hey, we all want him to kick ass. But he is OUR most complete DE. And really, name another guy out there who would be better and cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Schobel isn't average he is beyond that. He had 11.5 sacks last year. That is beyond average. Bruce Smith the sack leader only averaged 10.5 sacks a year himself. This is Schobel's 4th year in the league. He had 6.5 as a rookie, 8.5 his second year, and 11.5 last year. He keeps going up year after year. I assume he will get more this year because he hasn't reached his peak yet. Schobel isn't as flashy as Bruce Smith so he won't get as much attention around the league but he is good against the run and will give you 110 percent every game. He is a good solid DE. Any team would love to have him. He is worth the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Aaron Schobel: $28 million, six year deal. Schobel received a $7 million signing bonus and will also earn a $2 million roster bonus next spring. 12 sacks in 2003. 22310[/snapback] 5 year extension- good through 2009 season. But for only 9 million guaranteed money for a decent enough DE that is a good deal in todays NFL. Pat Williams will be next to sign - should be the easier of the 2 remaining to get signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack D. Ripper Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Umm Schobel is overrated. Plain and simple. He's an average player at best. His sacks are due more to solid coverage than anything else. He's a good player, no doubt. A $28 million player? No way. For my money, I'd rather extend Pat Williams who while older, still wreaks havock in the middle of that defensive line. 22280[/snapback] Yep! Big Pat is a guy we need to keep. I like Schobel, he plays hard and stays on the field but Williams is a more important part of this D. Schobel gets a lot of 'effort' sacks - hustling to the QB after he has been flushed or flustered at the end of his progression - but he won't beat many NFL tackles to the edge and I have yet to see him develop an inside move. Remember how the late John Butler (peace be upon him) got us in trouble with the cap????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalOhio Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Yep! Big Pat is a guy we need to keep. I like Schobel, he plays hard and stays on the field but Williams is a more important part of this D. Schobel gets a lot of 'effort' sacks - hustling to the QB after he has been flushed or flustered at the end of his progression - but he won't beat many NFL tackles to the edge and I have yet to see him develop an inside move. Remember how the late John Butler (peace be upon him) got us in trouble with the cap????? 22356[/snapback] I can't remember which game it was, but I saw AS do an inside spin move this preseason. I think he's been working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Productive DE's are NOT easy to come by. Good move TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 No they're not. And solid organizations spend high draft picks on them on a regular basis. Past Super Bowl caliber teams like New England, Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Baltimore know this quite well. You draft a solid defensive lineman in the first round and you lock him up for 5-6 years at a palatable rookie figure. That's why instead of drafting Lee Evans in a draft filled with WR talent, I feel we should have gone after Will Smith or Udeze. They are as good if not better than Schobel and can be had for much, much cheaper. Productive DE's are NOT easy to come by. Good move TD. 22358[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Sacks are nice but run containment and QB hurries stop more drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzer32 Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 AS numbers would be a hell of alot better if we had someone on the other side for teams to worry about. Teams can double team AS whenever they want and not have many worries with a couple of scrubs looking for their jock straps on the other side of the field. I sure hope one of those two scrubs can contribute this year and free up AS even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxboro Mike Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 AS numbers would be a hell of alot better if we had someone on the other side for teams to worry about. Teams can double team AS whenever they want and not have many worries with a couple of scrubs looking for their jock straps on the other side of the field. I sure hope one of those two scrubs can contribute this year and free up AS even more. 22396[/snapback] That's where the inability of Gildon to even make the team should be worrysome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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