Mr. WEO Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: Well Ruff lasted just 4 seasons in Dallas and is an assistant on the Rangers now while Regier still hasn't been hired since stepping away in 2016. I don't think going back to the past is the answer. And many of his coaching hires have been lauded. And most of those HC's have been on the Sabres as he's on just his 2nd HC hire with the Bills. I'm more interested in the Bills and am glad that in just his 3rd full season of ownership the team went back to the playoffs. Hopefully the Sabres return soon. I don't think they can go back in time either. Which hires have been lauded? The Sabres struggled to fill their coach spot this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: I don't think they can go back in time either. Which hires have been lauded? The Sabres struggled to fill their coach spot this off season. You know what I meant. Ruff and Regier had run their course. I heard good things about Bylsma and Housley. And no top coach wants to coach in Buffalo. Pegulas got money to burn and they still don't want to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: You know what I meant. Ruff and Regier had run their course. I heard good things about Bylsma and Housley. And no top coach wants to coach in Buffalo. Pegulas got money to burn and they still don't want to come. Well there you go..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 17 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Well there you go..... Yeah. Like I said, it's Buffalo. Always has been, always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah. Like I said, it's Buffalo. Always has been, always will be. Say what? In the previous 36 years before Petula's first full year as owner, the Sabres made the playoffs 29 of those years, including 4 of the 6 seasons before he showed up with the money bags. As you said, despite all the money, he struggles to recruit FO and Coaching even now. People are passing on Pegula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Say what? In the previous 36 years before Petula's first full year as owner, the Sabres made the playoffs 29 of those years, including 4 of the 6 seasons before he showed up with the money bags. As you said, despite all the money, he struggles to recruit FO and Coaching even now. People are passing on Pegula. That is it. It isn't "Buffalo". They have zero credibility right now. Players have been writing their tickets out of here, some experienced a re-birth elsewhere. It is a poison well, stuck in neutral in the bottom 1-8 teams in the NHL. It will never hold the same advantages as the Rangers, Vegas, or the Florida teams for recruitment... but it can certainly be a destination if/when winning happens and it is a place where coaches and players can thrive, make the most of their careers and earning potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 10:30 AM, Mr. WEO said: If Pegula didn't also own the Bills, Sabres fans would be roundly ripping his ownership at this point. It's been a disaster. We're still ripping his ownership....at least I am....remember when Buffalo fans wanted a rich owner who spends money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Say what? In the previous 36 years before Petula's first full year as owner, the Sabres made the playoffs 29 of those years, including 4 of the 6 seasons before he showed up with the money bags. As you said, despite all the money, he struggles to recruit FO and Coaching even now. People are passing on Pegula. Say what, what? Buffalo struggles to get coaches because it's Buffalo. Everyone knows this. Old cheap owner, younger rich owner...same result. And why do you care about what happens with the Sabres anyway? You think hockey is a joke. Meanwhile the Bills made the playoffs in just his 3rd season of ownership. What's the WEO dartboard reason for disliking him? 2 hours ago, nucci said: We're still ripping his ownership....at least I am....remember when Buffalo fans wanted a rich owner who spends money? What are you ripping on him for, as far as Bills ownership is concerned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: What are you ripping on him for, as far as Bills ownership is concerned? Not so much Bills anymore as he may have lucked in to Beane and McDermott but he still made mistakes with the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 32 minutes ago, nucci said: Not so much Bills anymore as he may have lucked in to Beane and McDermott but he still made mistakes with the Bills... Rex was admittedly a mistake. But thankfully a short-lived one. And yeah, getting lucky is what we have to hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Rex was admittedly a mistake. But thankfully a short-lived one. And yeah, getting lucky is what we have to hope for. We could use some good luck around here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc said: Say what, what? Buffalo struggles to get coaches because it's Buffalo. Everyone knows this. Old cheap owner, younger rich owner...same result. And why do you care about what happens with the Sabres anyway? You think hockey is a joke. Meanwhile the Bills made the playoffs in just his 3rd season of ownership. What's the WEO dartboard reason for disliking him? What are you ripping on him for, as far as Bills ownership is concerned? Sabres have a strong, long tradition of winning and winning coaches. None of that since Pegula bought the team. So, you're wrong. Hockey is not joke. But the NFL has become a bit of one over the decades. There's no getting around that. Southern and Western expansion to places where regular people never played hockey or even been on skates have rendered it nearly insignificant as a nationally interesting league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Sabres have a strong, long tradition of winning and winning coaches. None of that since Pegula bought the team. So, you're wrong. Hockey is not joke. But the NFL has become a bit of one over the decades. There's no getting around that. Southern and Western expansion to places where regular people never played hockey or even been on skates have rendered it nearly insignificant as a nationally interesting league. Where are LA, Anaheim, Dallas, Nashville, Tampa and Las Vegas located? Hockey never really was much of a national sport in the US but in the local and regional markets they were doing well. Even prior to the expansions hockey never garnered national attention. The original teams such as Detroit, Chicago and New York teams the teams were well supported with strong fan bases in their regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 47 minutes ago, JohnC said: Where are LA, Anaheim, Dallas, Nashville, Tampa and Las Vegas located? Hockey never really was much of a national sport in the US but in the local and regional markets they were doing well. Even prior to the expansions hockey never garnered national attention. The original teams such as Detroit, Chicago and New York teams the teams were well supported with strong fan bases in their regions. They are where I said they were above. So you agree, if hockey was never naturally a sport of national interest to begin with, expanding to where the sport was alien until the NHL came to town diluted its importance even further. In the past 20 years, the Stanley Cup finals have averaged between 3 and 5 million viewers. the top 3 and 6 of the top 10 Cup games ever watched were all before 1975. They pulled in 8-12 million viewers for those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: They are where I said they were above. So you agree, if hockey was never naturally a sport of national interest to begin with, expanding to where the sport was alien until the NHL came to town diluted its importance even further. In the past 20 years, the Stanley Cup finals have averaged between 3 and 5 million viewers. the top 3 and 6 of the top 10 Cup games ever watched were all before 1975. They pulled in 8-12 million viewers for those games. I disagree with you that the added mostly warm weather markets diluted the importance of the national market. Hockey has been, and is, for the most part a regional sport. That hasn't changed. I'm not arguing otherwise. However, adding markets such as the teams in LA and Dallas in Texas, although still regional markets, did expand the following for the game. The cup finals might have a limited following depending on the teams involved in the finals but if you add in the expanded playoff participants because of the expansion more people are following the game through their regional media outlets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) On 6/30/2019 at 10:59 AM, MJS said: To me I don't really care if owners have a clue about football or hockey. Their job is to provide money. They need to surround themselves with people who DO know what they are doing and can advise in all hockey/football related decisions. I think you hear a lot of dumb stuff come out of the mouth of owners from lots of sports. Their job isn't to know the sport, it's to write the checks. PS: I'm pretty sure there is nothing he could say to impress Sabres fans. Nothing he could say would distract from the failures on the ice. The problem is because they dont have a clue they obviously cant, and have yet to, hire good people around them who know what they're doing. They hired Rex Ryan based off of an interview where he probably just kept naming old Bills players. "Lookie lookie, here comes Cookie." What good is having a big dick if you dont know how to use it? Edited July 3, 2019 by Gigs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: This is just a cop out. The Sabres have struggled because they've made ***** decisions.... it has nothing to do with it being "because it's Buffalo" and all about an ownership group whom don't know who to hire or how to go about it. The discussion was about getting good coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, JohnC said: I disagree with you that the added mostly warm weather markets diluted the importance of the national market. Hockey has been, and is, for the most part a regional sport. That hasn't changed. I'm not arguing otherwise. However, adding markets such as the teams in LA and Dallas in Texas, although still regional markets, did expand the following for the game. The cup finals might have a limited following depending on the teams involved in the finals but if you add in the expanded playoff participants because of the expansion more people are following the game through their regional media outlets. They really aren’t. Also, every market watches the SB. Pretty much every market watches the NBA finals because every market is filled with fans who grew up watching and/or playing those sports. All the larger early NHL cities has expats all over the country. Adding all of those other cities added a few local fans but resulted in lower national interest in the championship, which is a major indicator of overall interest. And the playoff ratings were minuscule (and still the best in years lol) with an average of less than 800,000 viewers per game for 45 first round games. That’s a fraction of the viewers the NHL would get, nationwide, decades ago. It’s diluted to irrelevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 9:51 AM, Doc said: From what I recall, he just kept the same people but fired the scouting department. With Bills Coach McD did that and then resigned 3 of them. Pegula cannot take blame for that but if you want to pretend otherwise go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Limeaid said: With Bills Coach McD did that and then resigned 3 of them. Pegula cannot take blame for that but if you want to pretend otherwise go ahead. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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