c-troop Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I dont think anyone can speak in absolutes about what is going to happen in the future in the NFL. We'll see. Its pretty wild hot take, like they have Cody Ford telling us what it's like to be blocking for the RB you think is gunna be cut, makes no sense and you're looking like a bookies best friend 8 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Yeldon isn’t a lock to make the roster this year this is true, yet I can't think of an actual reason that they would cut him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just throwing this out there... I wonder if Tyree would have potential switching to TE. A very intriguing prospect no matter what but it would seem a bit odd to have two developmental QBs on the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, c-troop said: Its pretty wild hot take, like they have Cody Ford telling us what it's like to be blocking for the RB you think is gunna be cut, makes no sense and you're looking like a bookies best friend Saying it's possible that a 35 year old RB doesnt end up on our final roster (never said he'd be cut) out of a room of 6 RBs isnt that hot of a take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-troop Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Saying it's possible that a 35 year old RB doesnt end up on our final roster (never said he'd be cut) out of a room of 6 RBs isnt that hot of a take. It is when last season he rushed for more yards than the other 5 + is a lock for the hall of fame and he's obviously trying to break all-time rushing leader records. He's less than 1000 yards away from Barry Sanders. Let him eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: 28 scrimmage touches, 245 yards and 2 touchdowns in 7 games with only 1 start. I think the way they used him too in that gadget role has value. Not sure there is anyone else on the roster who can really be used that way. Beasley will pass McKenzie as the starter in the slot but he is a more conventional slot receiver he isn't the bubble screen, end around, jet sweep, out of the backfield type that McKenzie was used as. He just allows the Bills to get creative. He averaged about 30 offensive snaps a game after signing last season - now I would expect that to be lower.... more in the 15-20 snaps per game in 2019 if Beasley is healthy.... but you have to keep him and keep some packages in there for him to use his skill set. Gives defenses a whole extra wrinkle in the game plan that they have to prepare for each week. I think Singletary is the only guy that has that kind of ability, although he doesn’t have the top end speed McKenzie has. His short area quickness and ability to make defenders miss is why I think he can be that guy. Isolate him on one side of the field with one defender and watch out, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, c-troop said: this is true, yet I can't think of an actual reason that they would cut him either. Because he's nothing special. 11 minutes ago, OrtonHearsaWho said: Just throwing this out there... I wonder if Tyree would have potential switching to TE. A very intriguing prospect no matter what but it would seem a bit odd to have two developmental QBs on the team. Maybe, but only if he can't cut it as a QB. Just now, NewEra said: I think Singletary is the only guy that has that kind of ability, although he doesn’t have the top end speed McKenzie has. His short area quickness and ability to make defenders miss is why I think he can be that guy. Isolate him on one side of the field with one defender and watch out, Foster can do what McKenzie does. I just think there's too much (potential) talent to keep McKenzie. But we'll see. And I think they keep 7 WR's as Roberts will be used primarily on returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: I think it depends on how well Duke Williams plays. If he is going to make the 53 there is a lot less chance that Sills does. McKenzie made some plays last year and has decent chance to stick, but his chances took three serious blows with the addition of Beasley, who will start, Roberts, who kills McKenzie's chance of sticking as the PR, and to a smaller extent Yeldon, who is likely going to be used as a pass catcher on underneath routes. Brown, Beasley, Foster and Roberts are locks. That leaves Zay, Williams, McKenzie, Sills and Easley along with 3-4 remaining guys from last year fighting for what is likely two slots. But we do need a big guy that can win jump balls because the team wants a complementary group of receivers and I strongly think we are keeping one of them. Sills will have to beat out Duke for one of those two spots. And Zay, McKenzie and Easley will fight it out for the other, with Zay having a huge advantage although I think he stinks. I like him, too, especially for those reasons you mentioned. But as I said above the addition of Beasley like you said, plus Roberts, plus Yeldon even though they don't play the same position hurts his chances. If it were up to me, because of his quickness and ability of those sweeps which adds a new dimension to the offense, I would take McKenzie over Zay. We just don't need Jones skill set in this group. Eager to see how these competitions play out. WR and OL will be fierce. Corner as well. You know Gaines and KJ are here to win Levi’s job. Tight end and RB should be interesting too. Neal/bush/johnson/Alexander at S. Beane really has done an amazing job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-troop Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Because he's nothing special. Maybe, but only if he can't cut it as a QB. Foster can do what McKenzie does. I just think there's too much (potential) talent to keep McKenzie. But we'll see. And I think they keep 7 WR's as Roberts will be used primarily on returns. At least we've heard of him before and he has some decent tape. More than I can say about Marcus Murphy or Keith Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 The top RBs are gonna play-nobody cares about individual records, etc. There is no seniority bonus in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Because he's nothing special. Maybe, but only if he can't cut it as a QB. Foster can do what McKenzie does. I just think there's too much (potential) talent to keep McKenzie. But we'll see. And I think they keep 7 WR's as Roberts will be used primarily on returns. I disagree, McKenzie has much better initial explosiveness, short area quickness, agility and make you miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Eager to see how these competitions play out. WR and OL will be fierce. Corner as well. You know Gaines and KJ are here to win Levi’s job. Tight end and RB should be interesting too. Neal/bush/johnson/Alexander at S. Beane really has done an amazing job They can't stay healthy. I'll be fine with them playing in sub packages where the wear and tear will be far less. Just now, c-troop said: At least we've heard of him before and he has some decent tape. More than I can say about Marcus Murphy or Keith Ford. Yeah Murphy and Ford aren't likely to make the team. PS maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: They can't stay healthy. I'll be fine with them playing in sub packages where the wear and tear will be far less. Yeah Murphy and Ford aren't likely to make the team. PS maybe. They’re healthy now. It’s the competition in camp and depth that I’m referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-troop Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Toesy said: The top RBs are gonna play-nobody cares about individual records, etc. There is no seniority bonus in the NFL. Like I said, he had more yards than any of our other RBs last year and he's 35. He's here to act as a player-coach, and break some records, no need to act fake about what is. There is this thing called respect in the NFL, it's not an internet forum, 14748 yards + being 400 away from breaking Barry Sanders record is not the same as 14748 posts and thinking he'll be cut so we can not make the playoffs once again and maybe win an extra game. 6 minutes ago, Doc said: They can't stay healthy. I'll be fine with them playing in sub packages where the wear and tear will be far less. Yeah Murphy and Ford aren't likely to make the team. PS maybe. It's ok 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Toesy said: The top RBs are gonna play-nobody cares about individual records, etc. There is no seniority bonus in the NFL. I think Shady and Gore get the seniors discount at Denny's at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 It is a production league-if a guy produces he keeps his job. In fact it is disrespectful and demoralizing to the entire team to keep anybody who can't produce-they brought in Frank Gore because he looks like he can still play-it has nothing to do with Barry Sanders records. The goal is to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-troop Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just now, Toesy said: It is a production league-if a guy produces he keeps his job. In fact it is disrespectful and demoralizing to the entire team to keep anybody who can't produce-they brought in Frank Gore because he looks like he can still play-it has nothing to do with Barry Sanders records. The goal is to win. yeah yeah like he's gonna sign with a team where they can't guarantee him snaps and help him go into retirement at his pinnacle? nah brother, he would have signed somewhere else if he didn't think he would get ample touches to solidify his accolades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Sound far fetched to me-winning games is important in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: On the occasions he isn't dropping the ball, mishandling snaps on FGs or line driving 60 yard punts so the returner goes 20 yards before he is even touched, yes. Give the kid a break. Belichik gave him no snaps the whole preseason because he was hiding him, and he was literally signed and put right into his first NFL regular season games, completely unfamiliar with our team. I'd like to see him have a full training camp and preseason before I ream him for the mistakes he made before the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-troop Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Toesy said: Sound far fetched to me-winning games is important in the NFL. nobody said anything about losing games, yet it is now clear that is your disposition about what Frank Gore offers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) Nope-you don't know what Gore can do-neither do I-even the Bills don't know-we will find out-you think he has a guaranteed position no matter what-he doesn't. Edited April 28, 2019 by Toesy typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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