The Trump Shutdown

[Logic]

18 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

There's no point, as you can't think for yourself and you wouldn't pay attention anyway.  All you've earned are insults.

There you go again. Insults are all you've got. One-trick pony. I suppose I shouldn't have expected any more from someone who still thinks it's funny and acceptable to casually use the term "retards".

[Foxx]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

There you go again. Insults are all you've got. One-trick pony. I suppose I shouldn't have expected any more from someone who still thinks it's funny and acceptable to casually use the term "retards".

control the words a man can use and you control the thought process. words have meaning. if the term ''retard' is offensive to you, perhaps you need to look inward to come to grips with your own demons.

 

1984 appendix

Edited January 18, 2019 by Foxx

[The_Dude]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

There you go again. Insults are all you've got. One-trick pony. I suppose I shouldn't have expected any more from someone who still thinks it's funny and acceptable to casually use the term "retards".

 

That is a retarded post. A mongoloid wrote that for sure. I mean that was the gayest thing ive read all day. ‘Boo-hoo, words can hurt.’ I seriously hope you’re a woman because you’re a disgrace to men if you’re not. 

[Logic]

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

I've addressed this here before, though I'm happy to do it again.

 

I don't support individuals, as I believe the "great man" perspective of history to be dangerous because it lionized cults of personality over the law.  I believe in supporting moral ideals, the protection of human freedom, and positive outcomes towards those ends.

 

I was vocally opposed to the President during the run-up to the election, as I'm a classically liberal rights theorist, and everything I knew about President Trump prior to his election led me to believe that he was a dangerous demagogue, with leftist tendencies, who had no interest in libertarian principals.  I thought he would be the downfall of conservatism in the United States, and would usher in an era of unchecked leftist populism which would be the final nail in the coffin of individual rights and national autonomy.  I voted for Johnson, as he presented himself as the least appalling of 4 terrible candidates.

 

But, as I said, I guided by a belief in human freedom, and rights theory; and as such I chance my stance based on evidence.

 

The President has changed my mind, and has done more for advancing the cause of human freedom both domestically and abroad than any President in my adult lifetime; and I support that.

I truly appreciate the thoughtful response and your willingness to share.

With regard to your notion that I am silently complicit in human trafficking by rejecting the idea of the wall, though:

Respectfully, I reject the ability of someone who believes that Donald Trump has "advanced the cause of human freedom" telling me that I am silently complicit in anything. To support Trump (though you were careful to say you don't support him, you DID imply that you support his actions as president) is to be complicit in a staggering laundry list of destructive, racist, xenophobic, inhumane, and vile acts and causes.

I'm glad that the issue of human trafficking is important to you, though I'm not sure how such an apparently thoughtful and empathetic person could turn a blind eye to the litany of OTHER human rights abuses for which Trump has been partially or wholly responsible during his national tragedy of a presidency.

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

That is a retarded post. A mongoloid wrote that for sure. I mean that was the gayest thing ive read all day. ‘Boo-hoo, words can hurt.’ I seriously hope you’re a woman because you’re a disgrace to men if you’re not. 

Here comes some sexist comments from The_Dude to defend the guy who thinks saying "retards" is funny! Everyone gather 'round!

I've been through this song and dance with you before, guy. You've made clearly exactly what type of fella you are. 

Have a nice day!

8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

control the words a man can use and you control the thought process. words have meaning. if the term ''retard' is offensive to you, perhaps you need to look inward to come to grips with your own demons.

 

1984 appendix

I have no interest in controlling what words he can use. I just think that the words a person uses -- and the things that a person finds humorous, no less -- are often indicative of the character of the person using them.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[The_Dude]

12 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

Here comes some sexist comments from The_Dude to defend the guy who thinks saying "retards" is funny! Everyone gather 'round!

I've been through this song and dance with you before, guy. You've made clearly exactly what type of fella you are. 

 

I’m not defending Tom. I’m defending free speech and masculinity. Go grab a Gillette and shave your legs, Nancy. 

 

P.s., I believe 99% of the people who ask others not to say “retard” are being disingenuous, and are just trying to control other people. ***** off with that nonsense. Internet codes of contact have turned way too many people into snowflakes. 

Edited January 18, 2019 by The_Dude

[Deranged Rhino]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

Respectfully, I reject the ability of someone who believes that Donald Trump has "advanced the cause of human freedom" telling me that I am silently complicit in anything.

 

Because you are ignorant of the actual realities of human trafficking and just how much this administration has done to combat it from day one of their administration. You're ignorant of this because it's not covered by the establishment media nor anyone of the unitparty establishment in office. It's not covered by those groups because they directly profit from the kickbacks of this long running, systemic plague. 

 

This is where breaking outside of your bubble helps a great deal. 

 

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

To support Trump (though you were careful to say you don't support him, you DID imply that you support his actions as president) is to be complicit in a staggering laundry list of destructive, racist, xenophobic, inhumane, and vile acts and causes.

 

This is just absolute nonsense, not backed by any facts other than feelings. It's a buzz list of virtue signaling designed to tap into your emotional brain rather than (gasp) your logical brain. 

 

Almost every example you'll throw out (mean tweets, caging children, condoning nazis) will be partisan talking points devoid of either context, history, or factual basis. They push this on you to get you to surrender your capability for independent thought. This is an information war above all, and that's the primary tactic deployed by all parties involved. You have to look past that bull#### if you're going to have any hope of surviving. 

 

12 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm glad that the issue of human trafficking is important to you, though I'm not sure how such an apparently thoughtful and empathetic person could turn a blind eye to the litany of OTHER human rights abuses for which Trump has been partially or wholly responsible during his national tragedy of a presidency.

 

There's not a single thing that Trump's administration has done, or even been wrongly accused of doing, that's worse than the horrors of human trafficking/sex slavery. Not a single thing. So think about this argument you're trying to make and flip it around on yourself: 

 

Mean tweets are a bigger deal to you than the millions of people who are being abused in the worst possible ways imaginable and sold for profit. 

 

[Foxx]

21 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

... I have no interest in controlling what words he can use. I just think that the words a person uses -- and the things that a person finds humorous, no less -- are often indicative of the character of the person using them.

ummm... with all due respect, i'm going to have to call bull####.

 

you said, "I shouldn't have expected any more from someone who still thinks it's funny and acceptable to casually use the term "retards".". wherein, you clearly are trying to demean and shame the usage of the chosen term, 'retard'.

 

i would respect it more if it were owned. i still wouldn't agree with the objective but at least i would respect the origin of the thought.

 

be honest, with yourself at the very least.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Foxx

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

And another thing, @Deranged Rhino:

You keep talking about how you've "personally talked to people on the southern border about the wall" and they all, "to a man", back you up. My article, citing multiple OTHER articles, stated 

6. Border patrol agents don’t like concrete or steel walls because they block surveillance capabilities. In other words, they can’t mobilize correctly to meet challenges. So, in many ways, a wall makes their job more difficult.

7. Border patrol agents say walls are “meaningless” without agents and technology to support them. Are we prepared to pour countless billions annually—well after the wall is built—to create a nearly 2,000-mile militarized, 24-hour-surveillance border operation? Because according to patrol agents, that’s the only way a wall would work. 

So, as for the "many people" on the southern border that YOU'VE talked to about the issue who "to a man" want Trump's wall (which, by the way, I guess we're all just supposed to take you word for it that you've had these conversations and that these people actually exist): Not all border patrol agents agree. Yet you speak as though you represent the views of border agents universally. Between that bit of "take my word for it" conjecture and your "I care about it and you don't, that's the difference" line, you're pulling moves that would cause you to laugh your debate opponent off the floor if he tried them. That goes back to my point that you suffer from an assumed moral and intellectual superiority and hypocrisy...or as you once called it: Intellectual Dishonesty. And that's not to even MENTION the fact that you easily dismiss reasonable counter-arguments or op-eds as "pushing a narrative", while I suppose YOUR arguments and statements are...WHAT, exactly? Certainly not pushing your OWN narrative, right? Hypocrisy.

May I ask if you consider yourself a Donald Trump supporter?

Have you not kept up with things? After listening to the "experts" advice some time ago Trump opted for the steel slats type fence. It can be seen through, small animals can pass from one side to the other and it would mitigate any possible flooding.

Edited January 18, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[DC Tom]

39 minutes ago, Logic said:

There you go again. Insults are all you've got. One-trick pony. I suppose I shouldn't have expected any more from someone who still thinks it's funny and acceptable to casually use the term "retards".

 

There you go again, deserving nothing better.

 

If you don't like it, don't be retarded.

[Koko78]

5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

 

 

Dear diary,

 

I don't see any illegals trying to get through that fence or otherwise cause trouble in this picture. Therefore it is ineffective. Mr. Trump, tear down this wall!

[DC Tom]

22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

He's building a wall to keep Pelosi in DC.

[/dev/null]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Another brick in the wall

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bad move by Trump

Some Democrat operative is going to throw a brick thru Nancy's window and everyone will scream that Trump is inciting violence.  Straight out of House of Cards

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

There you go again, deserving nothing better.

 

If you don't like it, don't be retarded.

Uh, like he has a choice?

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

He's building a wall to keep Pelosi in DC.

 

  

[/dev/null]

8 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Personally I think Trump blew it on this one.  It would have been better if he let her go.  And every day tweet "I'm here ready to negotiate.   Where's Waldo Pelosi?"

 

Or even better: Where In The World Is Carmen San Francisco

[DC Tom]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Uh, like he has a choice?

 

Yes, he does.  He's not developmentally disabled like my nephew; he doesn't have Downs like my uncle.

 

He's just slow to understand and accept information presented to him.  He doesn't form rational thoughts and opinions.  He is, by choice and in the literal sense of the word - to prohibit or hold back - retarding himself.

 

 

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086395559504764930

 

[row_33]

17 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

He's building a wall to keep Pelosi in DC.

 

She is powerful enough to apparently be on a commercial flight taking off from an Air Force base and landing in a war zone.

 

 

Or so she claimed today....

 

[DC Tom]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

She is powerful enough to apparently be on a commercial flight taking off from an Air Force base and landing in a war zone.

 

 

Or so she claimed today....

 

 

See!  Walls don't work!