Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The counter argument is Mahomes who sat almost an entire year without game action. See above. Silly argument. Why would he see game action unless their Pro Bowl QB was injured? If there was no Smith, Mahomes would have been the day 1 starter. Edited October 30, 2018 by Mr. WEO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: See above. Silly argument. Why would he see game action unless their Pro Bowl QB was injured? If there was no Smith, Mahomes would have been the day 1 starter. It's a fact regardless of circumstances. He sat and your attempt to explain it away is what's silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It's a fact regardless of circumstances. He sat and your attempt to explain it away is what's silly. Yes but the argument is being made that Allen should have sat this year, despite there being no viable alternative at QB. That's not the history of first round top drafted QBs in the NFL. The majority of them are starters in their first year. They "learned" by playing. Barring injury, that's how Allen should be used as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Yes but the argument is being made that Allen should have sat this year, despite there being no viable alternative at QB. That's not the history of first round top drafted QBs in the NFL. The majority of them are starters in their first year. They "learned" by playing. Barring injury, that's how Allen should be used as well. With a decent veteran in place he very well could have. With Nathan Peterman to start the season, NFW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: With a decent veteran in place he very well could have. With Nathan Peterman to start the season, NFW! Again, the vast majority of these guys are drafted for necessity and therefore start out of necessity. There is no decent vet, so they start and take their lumps. It may be OK, it may be ugly, but it's experience they can't get checking boxes on a clipboard listening to the headset while the scrub starter gets hammered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Again, the vast majority of these guys are drafted for necessity and therefore start out of necessity. There is no decent vet, so they start and take their lumps. It may be OK, it may be ugly, but it's experience they can't get checking boxes on a clipboard listening to the headset while the scrub starter gets hammered. You better get down to OBD and get things in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You better get down to OBD and get things in order. I'm starting up my Taurus! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: This topic has been explained to death in countless other threads. All 4 rookie QBs from the 1st round have started games in their rookie year. They were drafted A): because their teams had bad records, B) because their team didn't have an entrenched starter. They absolutely get "thrown to the wolves", unless their team has a Brett Favre or an Alex Smith or a Drew Brees or even a Jay Cutler already on the roster. That's how the NFL does this. Not sure why this is hard to figure out. see my post above. But that doesnt explain or answer what I said. WHO SAYS THEY CANT OR DONT LEARN BY SITTING BEHIND SOMEONE? Many young QBs are forced into action early or right away, but how many of them succeed or get better? The Jets kept McCown around to start until Darnold looked capable in Training Camp, the Cardinals and Browns both brought in guys to start and let their rookies sit on the bench to watch and develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: No I don't think it's odd. He's week to week. That means there's uncertainty when he returns. I suspect they'll be careful bringing him back before he's ready. I think you're reading too much into this. Who do you think is closer to the situation - the team's GM or a Twitter MD who's never examined the player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: See above. Silly argument. Why would he see game action unless their Pro Bowl QB was injured? If there was no Smith, Mahomes would have been the day 1 starter. That doesnt make sense, Mahomes is an MVP candidate. Pretty sure MVP>All Star. If he was this amazing last here he would have usurped Smith. Boom case closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: See above. Silly argument. Why would he see game action unless their Pro Bowl QB was injured? If there was no Smith, Mahomes would have been the day 1 starter. And who says that if he did start he would be blowing away the league right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: But that doesnt explain or answer what I said. WHO SAYS THEY CANT OR DONT LEARN BY SITTING BEHIND SOMEONE? Many young QBs are forced into action early or right away, but how many of them succeed or get better? The Jets kept McCown around to start until Darnold looked capable in Training Camp, the Cardinals and Browns both brought in guys to start and let their rookies sit on the bench to watch and develop. Sam Darnold was a day 1 starter, so obviously he didn't sit and learn behind anyone. The Browns realized quickly that they couldn't let their number 1 pick "sit and learn from the bench". He was the starter by week 3. Rosen by week 4. So, none of them likely learned much in the couple of games they sat. And we are talking about having them sit for a YEAR. 6 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: That doesnt make sense, Mahomes is an MVP candidate. Pretty sure MVP>All Star. If he was this amazing last here he would have usurped Smith. Boom case closed He was never going to "usurp" a Pro Bowl QB. That makes no sense. There wasn't a "QB competition". Edited October 30, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I don't believe a word beane said. However if true its concerning because A. The injury is serious or B. They're in job survival mode and the excuses are starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 If Allen doesn't start after the bye week on Nov 25, which is almost 4 weeks from now, then his injury is worse than their saying. The reason sitting and watching before being a starter is valuable due mostly on getting players to prepare for games. Having Anderson in there now should help in that regard on how to prepare each week. Playing a few weeks and now getting to watch and see how to prepare for specific defenses will be a huge benefit for Allen. Looking at each play and studying why did this play work and why did this play fail? Right now the only thing I'm worried about is the extent of his injury. Hopefully a few more weeks he's 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, GG said: Who do you think is closer to the situation - the team's GM or a Twitter MD who's never examined the player? It wouldn't be the first time the 'Doctors report' immediately following the injury being announced wasnt as accurate as everyone though and a player was out longer. I know it's a different sport, but just go take a look at the Blue Jay's season, Tulowitzki was only supposed to be out a short time after heel surgery in spring training, they are still waiting on him to play his first game, Stroman and Sanchez had multiple times where they were listed as 'day to day' with blisters and missed weeks to months because of it. Those time frames mean nothing except what they can hope for in a best case scenario. In this case, if the GM is saying it's possible he is out all year, theres a very high possibility that it's more likely you dont see him back on the field until next years training camp then he is starting after the bye week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Good, shut him down the rest of the season. Let him learn from the sidelines which was the original plan. Go 3-13 and get him better weapons next year. Upgrade the oline in FA. If he doesn't improve we'll know a lot more next year. Normally, I'd tend to agree with you on this .... but what could he possibly learn by watching this shitshow they call an offense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Sam Darnold was a day 1 starter, so obviously he didn't sit and learn behind anyone. The Browns realized quickly that they couldn't let their number 1 pick "sit and learn from the bench". He was the starter by week 3. Rosen by week 4. So, none of them likely learned much in the couple of games they sat. And we are talking about having them sit for a YEAR. He was never going to "usurp" a Pro Bowl QB. That makes no sense. Semantics. Tell me where me where I start to fall off. Mahomes did not get great playing behind Smith. Smith was an All Star but Mahomes is an MVP. But Mahomes wasnt good enough to over take Smith last year? Theres a hole in your reasoning here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Semantics. Tell me where me where I start to fall off. Mahomes did not get great playing behind Smith. Smith was an All Star but Mahomes is an MVP. But Mahomes wasnt good enough to over take Smith last year? Theres a hole in your reasoning here So your saying that Mahomes would have been able to "usurp" Smith last year as starter because he is an MVP candidate this year....and that the reason he is an MVP candidate this year is because he sat for a year behind Smith? If Mahomes was that good last year then it bolsters the argument that sitting isn't beneficial. Edited October 30, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: It wouldn't be the first time the 'Doctors report' immediately following the injury being announced wasnt as accurate as everyone though and a player was out longer. I know it's a different sport, but just go take a look at the Blue Jay's season, Tulowitzki was only supposed to be out a short time after heel surgery in spring training, they are still waiting on him to play his first game, Stroman and Sanchez had multiple times where they were listed as 'day to day' with blisters and missed weeks to months because of it. Those time frames mean nothing except what they can hope for in a best case scenario. In this case, if the GM is saying it's possible he is out all year, theres a very high possibility that it's more likely you dont see him back on the field until next years training camp then he is starting after the bye week.... Listen to the interview. He said I don't know how many times that it's week to week. He mentioned in passing that he can't guarantee when he'd come back, only that they are going to be careful and be sure he's ready to go. The conspiracy theorists are out in full force today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: So your saying that Mahomes would have been able to "usurp" Smith last year as starter because he is an MVP candidate this year....and that the reason he is an MVP candidate this year is because he sat for a year behind Smith? That's sound reasoning. You keep missing the point. You say Mahomes didnt get great sitting behind Smith, so he must have already been a world beating MVP last year right? If Mahomes was this great last year, he would have over taken Smith. Im saying he got great because he was allowed to sit and learn from the sidelines. Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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