JCBoston Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 According to this article, NYS has the highest state and local tax burden in the entire fricken' country. When combined with federal taxes, only Connecticut ranks higher: A NYS resident hands over 32 percent of his/her income to the bureaucracy. http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/...special=0502tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 NYS. Taxing its way to prosperity, one percentage point at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 What you need to do is establish a commission to decide what to do about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 and they wonder why people are moving to other states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Well' that's democracy. You get what you vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 What you need to do is establish a commission to decide what to do about this. 283831[/snapback] A blue-chip, bi-partisan, fact-finding mission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 According to this article, NYS has the highest state and local tax burden in the entire fricken' country. When combined with federal taxes, only Connecticut ranks higher: A NYS resident hands over 32 percent of his/her income to the bureaucracy. http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/...special=0502tax 283823[/snapback] But we can't stop now! We're just one tax increase away from being an economic superpower! Also, the county should hire extra workers to sit in between the guy who drives the snow plow and the guy who rides shotgun in the snow plow - it'd give the whole job a 'road trip' flavor that would make their work more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 That argument has only huge flaw: Many of the MOST prosperous cities in America have high tax rates. So it's obvious that taxes alone do not affect a regions economy. The biggest reason, I think, for Buffalo malaise is bad government. No business would want to locate in a city run like Buffalo. Again, it's not just taxes, it's quality of life: Schools, hospitals, servcies, opportunities. The only way for Buffalo to survive now is to disband the city government, merge with the county, and put together some too-good-to-be-true incentive packages to lure jobs. Buffalo still has some good qualities, and deals that could draw in adventurous investors, but civic leaders need to sacrifice their own interests for the good of the citizens they supposedly serve. PTR According to this article, NYS has the highest state and local tax burden in the entire fricken' country. When combined with federal taxes, only Connecticut ranks higher: A NYS resident hands over 32 percent of his/her income to the bureaucracy. http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/...special=0502tax 283823[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Well' that's democracy. You get what you vote for. 283840[/snapback] Why is Pataki never raked over the coals for this taxation fact? What does this guy do exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Why is Pataki never raked over the coals for this taxation fact? What does this guy do exactly? 283857[/snapback] As far as I can tell he's the PR guy for the State. He's basically paid for making public appearances and television commercials. I swear I've seen him in about 10 different commercials over the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBoston Posted March 22, 2005 Author Share Posted March 22, 2005 That argument has only huge flaw: Many of the MOST prosperous cities in America have high tax rates. So it's obvious that taxes alone do not affect a regions economy. The biggest reason, I think, for Buffalo malaise is bad government. No business would want to locate in a city run like Buffalo. Again, it's not just taxes, it's quality of life: Schools, hospitals, servcies, opportunities. The only way for Buffalo to survive now is to disband the city government, merge with the county, and put together some too-good-to-be-true incentive packages to lure jobs. Buffalo still has some good qualities, and deals that could draw in adventurous investors, but civic leaders need to sacrifice their own interests for the good of the citizens they supposedly serve. PTR 283851[/snapback] Yes, many of the most prosperous cities in America are taxed highly. But here's the rub: you might be able to be properous and highly taxed, but you can't _become_ prosperous with such a high tax burden. It frightens off investors, which is why government is the largest employer in Erie County. NYS has its head up its a$$, and it starts in Albany. Sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Why is Pataki never raked over the coals for this taxation fact? What does this guy do exactly? 283857[/snapback] Pataki is one of the few forces of fiscal discipline in this state. In any other state he would be the symbol of excess. That's New York for ya! Watch TV in NY, everyone just whines about how they don't have enough money when we already have the highest burden in the country. Let's spend a lot on education so our kids can get good jobs in other states.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Pataki is one of the few forces of fiscal discipline in this state. In any other state he would be the symbol of excess. That's New York for ya! Watch TV in NY, everyone just whines about how they don't have enough money when we already have the highest burden in the country. Let's spend a lot on education so our kids can get good jobs in other states.... 283974[/snapback] Fiscal discipline? Any other state? Dude, he's the leader of the highest tax burdened citizens in the country. What coolaid are you drinking? Pataki is a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 According to this article, NYS has the highest state and local tax burden in the entire fricken' country. When combined with federal taxes, only Connecticut ranks higher: A NYS resident hands over 32 percent of his/her income to the bureaucracy. http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/...special=0502tax 283823[/snapback] Yet New York City has had one of the more dynamic urban economies in recent US history despite the fact that it's tax burden is higher than Buffalo's. It's not all taxes and government, you know. Buffalo's problems are a lot deeper than that -- declining population since the mid-1950s, no immigration to the city, reliance on an outmoded industrial base, the fact that it's not a corporate headquarter city, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Fiscal discipline? Any other state? Dude, he's the leader of the highest tax burdened citizens in the country. What coolaid are you drinking? Pataki is a tool. 283998[/snapback] But he's a Republican tool, so that makes him Republican cool. Like our Gov. Johnny-boy Rowland, now kickin' it in NJ for 15 months at Club Fed for selling us out to Tomasso Construction (and ~$250M to Enron, but he didn't get charged with that). It's really got to start w/ fixing the crappy education system (Regents) and creating/inviting in real jobs to stop the "brain drain." Will that happen? Pro'ly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Fiscal discipline? Any other state? Dude, he's the leader of the highest tax burdened citizens in the country. What coolaid are you drinking? Pataki is a tool. 283998[/snapback] Dude, pay attention to the budget debates and maybe you'd understand. Pataki puts out a budget, the assembly bitches that he cuts too much, and he's forced to sign a much higher budget. Every year. When was the last time you saw an ad saying Pataki was spending too much in his proposed budget? No, they just B word that he's spending too little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Yet New York City has had one of the more dynamic urban economies in recent US history despite the fact that it's tax burden is higher than Buffalo's. It's not all taxes and government, you know. Buffalo's problems are a lot deeper than that -- declining population since the mid-1950s, no immigration to the city, reliance on an outmoded industrial base, the fact that it's not a corporate headquarter city, etc. etc. 284003[/snapback] All upstate cities are dying, besides Albany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 But he's a Republican tool, so that makes him Republican cool. Like our Gov. Johnny-boy Rowland, now kickin' it in NJ for 15 months at Club Fed for selling us out to Tomasso Construction (and ~$250M to Enron, but he didn't get charged with that). It's really got to start w/ fixing the crappy education system (Regents) and creating/inviting in real jobs to stop the "brain drain." Will that happen? Pro'ly not. 284019[/snapback] Rowland has nothing to do with Pataki. In fact, how does Rowland have anything to do with New York State politics? I don't like Pataki, but saying that he's the biggest cause of the bloated budget and high taxes is asinine. Some people here seem to think that the executive branch in the state and federal level control everything. The Assembly is the one that keeps pushing for higher spending and thus causing higher taxes to offset that. Take some time and look at where Pataki and the Assembly's budgets differ... The only thing that the Assembly cuts is upstate education spending. Pataki would be a spendthrift everywhere else besides New York. Here, he is the one keeping the Assembly from making things worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 But we can't stop now! We're just one tax increase away from being an economic superpower! Also, the county should hire extra workers to sit in between the guy who drives the snow plow and the guy who rides shotgun in the snow plow - it'd give the whole job a 'road trip' flavor that would make their work more enjoyable. 283844[/snapback] LOL...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 All upstate cities are dying, besides Albany. 284043[/snapback] definitely true, but know that most of ny state's population lives in the nyc metro area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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