Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: And... How many gun deaths are directly caused by substance abuse! There is a direct link. How many gun deaths occur because a person just smoked a joint? Not never. Happy, sleepy, hungry. That’s all. Stop referring to smoking weed as “substance abuse.” ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Gun deaths are tragic but do not occur at rate remotely close to that of substance abuse. You are correct. In 2016 there were 37K firearms related deaths in the US, compared to 65K deaths from drug overdoses. (0 from pot, though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, Pete said: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it I find the article long and meandering. Please summarize so as to get across what you feel is important. I see mostly talk about health centers and treatment but not much about success rates. Occurrence based on income profile? I see both countries functioning at a rate not much above indoor plumbing and dragged into modern times by more successful Western nations. I would be more impressed by a country that has legal drugs that could also put a person on Mars or invent warp drive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: I find the article long and meandering. Please summarize so as to get across what you feel is important. I see mostly talk about health centers and treatment but not much about success rates. Occurrence based on income profile? I see both countries functioning at a rate not much above indoor plumbing and dragged into modern times by more successful Western nations. I would be more impressed by a country that has legal drugs that could also put a person on Mars or invent warp drive. Treatment and care instead of incarcerating for one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, RochesterRob said: I find the article long and meandering. Please summarize so as to get across what you feel is important. I see mostly talk about health centers and treatment but not much about success rates. Occurrence based on income profile? I see both countries functioning at a rate not much above indoor plumbing and dragged into modern times by more successful Western nations. I would be more impressed by a country that has legal drugs that could also put a person on Mars or invent warp drive. The gist of the Portuguese strategy was to decriminalize all drug use but maintain harsh penalties for distribution. The result was people more willing to seek medical help to deal with their drug use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, JMF2006 said: Wow that was never a jail term offence up here only possession for trafficking say one ounce in 4 different baggies. Even then it was more like a fine but depending on your previous record. More than two ounces but less than one-half of a pound: Penalties include a fine of up to $2,000, up to two years in prison, or both. https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Marijuana-Possession.htm don't know how dated it is New York - when I left in '97 it was this Up to 25 grams: New York has decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana (at least as far as first and second violations are involved). Violations are considered civil citations (similar to a traffic violation), which incur a fine, but no jail time. There is a fine of up to $100 for a first offense, and up to $200 for a second offense. 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: And... How many gun deaths are directly caused by substance abuse! There is a direct link. they are too lazy to get off the couch they are too stoned to see straight both hands are needed to hold - a lighter and or a joint , bong or bow lol's Edited October 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: How many gun deaths occur because a person just smoked a joint? Not never. Happy, sleepy, hungry. That’s all. Stop referring to smoking weed as “substance abuse.” ? I've always reference something like this wrt violence You see bar fights all the time ..... blood and broken bones. If you see 2 stoned people fight ..... blood and broken bones are caused by accidents. It's funny until someone gets hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: How many gun deaths occur because a person just smoked a joint? Not never. Happy, sleepy, hungry. That’s all. Stop referring to smoking weed as “substance abuse.” ? Wow! Tobacco is substance abuse. Overeating is too. Okay maybe overeating. Just like putting a slow gun to Your head. 7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I've always reference something like this wrt violence You see bar fights all the time ..... blood and broken bones. If you see 2 stoned people fight ..... blood and broken bones are caused by accidents. It's funny until someone gets hurt We simply don't know. It's not that prevalant and mainstream yet as is alcohol. Also driving too slow is just as, if not more dangerous. WRT driving under the influence. Indecision kills from a safety standpoint, and others around You. What will be the threshold hold for driving and operating machinery? What will be the in the field measuring device, systems for determining impairment? What about accidental ingestion through edibles? Lacing of food? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Wow! Tobacco is substance abuse. Overeating is too. Okay maybe overeating. Just like putting a slow gun to Your head. We simply don't know. It's not that prevalant and mainstream yet as is alcohol. Also driving too slow is just as, if not more dangerous. WRT driving under the influence. Indecision kills from a safety standpoint, and others around You. What will be the threshold hold for driving and operating machinery? What will be the in the field measuring device, systems for determining impairment? What about accidental ingestion through edibles? Lacing of food? Everything you brought up is an issue now. Nothing changes with legalization. So how do officials deal with it now? The same way they will deal with it after it's legal. So if the Earth isn't spinning off its axis now over pot, it probably won't later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Everything you brought up is an issue now. Nothing changes with legalization. So how do officials deal with it now? The same way they will deal with it after it's legal. So if the Earth isn't spinning off its axis now over pot, it probably won't later. We simply don't know it won't spin off axis. Have You looked out Your window at all the problems recently. Let's wait till it goes mainstream. I mean Hammersticks is saying all the teachers are high. Yeah, that's a real shock. Check out the educational wasteland and all the lazy educators carpetbagging for the best pay around. The warts are starting to show. Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: We simply don't know it won't spin off axis. Have You looked out Your window at all the problems recently. Let's wait till it goes mainstream. I mean Hammersticks is saying all the teachers are high. Yeah, that's a real shock. Check out the educational wasteland and all the lazy educators carpetbagging for the best pay around. The warts are starting to show. You are making some huge leaps there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: You are making some huge leaps there. Nooooo... Come visit Me in a Metropolitan area that has 10 million. You wanna see Sh *tholes affected by reefer madness, alcohol, guns, and tobacco. I can show You some real beauts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: We simply don't know it won't spin off axis. Have You looked out Your window at all the problems recently. Let's wait till it goes mainstream. I mean Hammersticks is saying all the teachers are high. Yeah, that's a real shock. Check out the educational wasteland and all the lazy educators carpetbagging for the best pay around. The warts are starting to show. Woah, buddy. I'm not saying that teachers are toking up a fatty before school. We're talking about responsible professionals who happen to take a puff or two at night while they're watching The Bachelor. No more harmful than the person who has a couple glasses of Merlot. I think your perception of educators may be a bit distorted based on your experiences/perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Woah, buddy. I'm not saying that teachers are toking up a fatty before school. We're talking about responsible professionals who happen to take a puff or two at night while they're watching The Bachelor. No more harmful than the person who has a couple glasses of Merlot. I think your perception of educators may be a bit distorted based on your experiences/perspective. They sure are... Distorted. Many of them are grading tests @ home while sipping the merlot miles away in some far off town. Now... I don't know what's better, a Stoner 20 something English teacher grading My daughter's essay while high or not. You be the judge. She is My daughter. ? Probably better high. Okay, "just chilling." Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Woah, buddy. I'm not saying that teachers are toking up a fatty before school. We're talking about responsible professionals who happen to take a puff or two at night while they're watching The Bachelor. No more harmful than the person who has a couple glasses of Merlot. I think your perception of educators may be a bit distorted based on your experiences/perspective. one of the professionals i know that is a very regular smoker is an oncology surgeon. she walks around with a glass of wine at parties, but every so often she goes outside and takes a hit off a pen. she just doesn't love drinking, and likes to avoid that hangover. weed won't make this society crumble is alcohol already hasn't...and this is coming from someone who really enjoys drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Nooooo... Come visit Me in a Metropolitan area that has 10 million. You wanna see Sh *tholes affected by reefer madness, alcohol, guns, and tobacco. I can show You some real beauts. So you're saying the alcohol, tobacco and guns are fine, but add weed and now it's a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, teef said: one of the professionals i know that is a very regular smoker is an oncology surgeon. she walks around with a glass of wine at parties, but every so often she goes outside and takes a hit off a pen. she just doesn't love drinking, and likes to avoid that hangover. weed won't make this society crumble is alcohol already hasn't...and this is coming from someone who really enjoys drinking. Great! Malpractice insurance providers would love to know Her name! Just now, PromoTheRobot said: So you're saying the alcohol, tobacco and guns are fine, but add weed and now it's a problem? No. Not at all! Look at damage they cause legally. Legalization is no silver bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Great! Malpractice insurance providers would love to know Her name! No. Not at all! Look at damage they cause legally. Legalization is no silver bullet. The point is anything in excess is a problem. There are alcoholics but millions still drink responsibly. I can't defend tobacco. But we let people smoke. Most gun owners are responsible but we let any dimwit own one, even a machine gun. Legal pot doesn't change its impact on society, other than right a wrong. Edited October 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Great! Malpractice insurance providers would love to know Her name! No. Not at all! Look at damage they cause legally. Legalization is no silver bullet. exaggerate much? you sure have brought a lot of drama to this thread. Edited October 18, 2018 by no name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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