Doc Brown Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Why defend him? He's truly not worth it, and his endorsement of Joe is a sell out move pure and simple. It wasn't done for the progressive cause. How does laying down with neoliberals (who are just neocons), who have been dangerously wrong at every turn on civil liberties, due process, foreign policy, and have never once "led" the way on any meaningful progressive platform (they led from behind on gay marriage, from behind on ending regime change, from behind even on health care)? It does nothing to help the progressive movement -- especially when you're talking about SCOTUS picks. Why would the neoliberal/neocon wing pick someone other than a puppet for their own agendas (as they've done every time the past 30 years)? Joe is establishment through and through -- same cloth as Clinton, Bush, and Obama. None were progressive champions, despite the PR. Because endorsing him is the best "bad" option he had. You're downplaying the importance of the Supreme Court. If RGB is replaced by a Trump appointed nominee that means there's a 6-3 conservative majority on the Supreme Court. Every progressive agenda he's fighting for would be squashed at the national level for the next 40 years. I don't know how many Bernie supporters are able to grasp that harsh reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: If RGB is replaced by a Trump appointed nominee RBG is a Supreme Court Justice RGB is a color scheme Supreme Court Justices wear #000000 robes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 58 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Not really. If he believes in his progressive agenda long term then he absolutely had to endorse Biden given RGB isn't getting any younger. I predicted a long time ago that Bernie would quickly endorse Biden because he's more pragmatic than people think. Continuing political infighting would just drive the progressive wing further away and ensure a Trump victory. I know Republicans wanted him not to "sellout." He will never see the fruit of his labor — and he doesn’t strike me as a guy who was going for a legacy. The Dem party rejected him four years ago. They may have promised him a move to the left this time around, but that clearly didn’t happen. When he was running strong with 1/3 of the primary votes, they cut the floor out from under him. That was blatant and obvious. Then the pandemic hit and his only remaining opponent went into his basement and serially babbled and bumbled his thoughts. The pragmatic thing to do would have been to stick it out. His very strong base was still with him. At the very least, he easily could have leveraged his clout at the convention. Now, for the second time, he’s walked away from the revolution he touted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, snafu said: He will never see the fruit of his labor — and he doesn’t strike me as a guy who was going for a legacy. The Dem party rejected him four years ago. They may have promised him a move to the left this time around, but that clearly didn’t happen. When he was running strong with 1/3 of the primary votes, they cut the floor out from under him. That was blatant and obvious. Then the pandemic hit and his only remaining opponent went into his basement and serially babbled and bumbled his thoughts. The pragmatic thing to do would have been to stick it out. His very strong base was still with him. At the very least, he easily could have leveraged his clout at the convention. Now, for the second time, he’s walked away from the revolution he touted. That's exactly what Republicans were hoping for as too much infighting closer to the election leads to an automatic Trump presidency. That's the dumbest thing he could've done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: That's exactly what Republicans were hoping for as too much infighting closer to the election leads to an automatic Trump presidency. That's the dumbest thing he could've done. He’s not a Democrat. Never was until after he sold out four years ago. That’s the “sellout” part. If he were a true believer in his own self-declared revolution then he wouldn’t care what Republicans think. That’s the “pu$$y” part. Edit: the “leverage” part wouldn’t involve infighting. It would result in a gain for Bernie and his wing. Edited April 14, 2020 by snafu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, snafu said: He’s not a Democrat. Never was until after he sold out four years ago. That’s the “sellout” part. If he were a true believer in his own self-declared revolution then he wouldn’t care what Republicans think. That’s the “pu$$y” part. Edit: the “leverage” part wouldn’t involve infighting. It would result in a gain for Bernie and his wing. What? He doesn't care what Repubilcans think. That's fair if you want to call him a sellout for running as a Democrat even though he labels himself as an Independent. He mostly votes lockstep with the Democrats in the Senate though so I question his "Indendent" label. The quicker you coalesce around a candidate the better chance that candidate has of winning. Old Joe's going to need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: What? He doesn't care what Repubilcans think. That's fair if you want to call him a sellout for running as a Democrat even though he labels himself as an Independent. He mostly votes lockstep with the Democrats in the Senate though so I question his "Indendent" label. The quicker you coalesce around a candidate the better chance that candidate has of winning. Old Joe's going to need it. Yes, I daresay that Bernie Sanders doesn’t care about what Republicans think. He’s not a cross-the-aisle kind of guy. He never spoke to or sought out Republican voters during either of his two Presidential runs. He spoke about fundamentally changing our country’s system of government and our economy and healt care system. He had enough backing to get to the convention and see his message through, and to get traction for the future of “democratic socialism”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 hours ago, snafu said: Yes, I daresay that Bernie Sanders doesn’t care about what Republicans think. He’s not a cross-the-aisle kind of guy. He never spoke to or sought out Republican voters during either of his two Presidential runs. He spoke about fundamentally changing our country’s system of government and our economy and healt care system. He had enough backing to get to the convention and see his message through, and to get traction for the future of “democratic socialism”. No. He's about as far left as you can get and would not cross the aisle. M4A, raising the federal minimum wage to more than double what it is now, student debt forgiveness, free college, banning fracking, raising taxes substantially on the rich, implementing massive financial and environmental regulations, and reducing our military budget wouldn't have been well received by Republicans. The only thing he had in common with Trump is he's an isolationist. He wouldn't have had any sway because Biden would've went into the convention with the majority of delegates. Plus, he called Trump the most dangerous president of our lifetime so his number one priority should be uniting the party to beat Trump and that's why he endorsed Biden so early on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: No. He's about as far left as you can get and would not cross the aisle. M4A, raising the federal minimum wage to more than double what it is now, student debt forgiveness, free college, banning fracking, raising taxes substantially on the rich, implementing massive financial and environmental regulations, and reducing our military budget wouldn't have been well received by Republicans. The only thing he had in common with Trump is he's an isolationist. He wouldn't have had any sway because Biden would've went into the convention with the majority of delegates. Plus, he called Trump the most dangerous president of our lifetime so his number one priority should be uniting the party to beat Trump and that's why he endorsed Biden so early on. I agree. But he ran in the primaries as the new path for Democrats — and picked up at least a third of the party — and then abandoned his principles. Everyone sees Biden for what he is. Bernie could have hammered away and had more clout. He gave up. He’s not who his supporters thought he would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1250200978810437632 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 8 hours ago, /dev/null said: RBG is a Supreme Court Justice RGB is a color scheme Supreme Court Justices wear #000000 robes Completely ignoring the context and content of what you’re posting about to say this: That graph is one of the most aesthetically appealing things I’ve ever seen. I would frame that and hang it on my wall. Not sure what that says about me, but there it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 The RNC should use this as an ad for Trump: 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 ...game, set, match...…..it's "Shoo-in Joe" now...………………. Warren endorses Biden, following Sanders in closing ranks behind presumptive nominee By Paul Steinhauser | Fox News Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Wednesday endorsed Joe Biden for president, more than a month after ending her own presidential bid. "In this moment of crisis, it’s more important than ever that the next president restores Americans’ faith in good, effective government—and I’ve seen Joe Biden help our nation rebuild. Today, I’m proud to endorse," she tweeted, along with a video. The Massachusetts senator had withheld an endorsement ever since ending her campaign in early March, even as the race narrowed to essentially a contest between Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders. But with Sanders dropping out last week, Biden became the presumptive nominee. Warren follows both Sanders and former President Barack Obama in formally endorsing the former vice president. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/warren-endorses-biden-for-president 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...game, set, match...…..it's "Shoo-in Joe" now...………………. Warren endorses Biden, following Sanders in closing ranks behind presumptive nominee By Paul Steinhauser | Fox News It's the least she could do after clearing the pathway by sucking away the Sanders support. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 The thirstiest cover letter in political history: Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The thirstiest cover letter in political history: Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. Wouldn't she have to give up her governor's job in Georgia? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The thirstiest cover letter in political history: Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. Ahh, finally! Someone less qualified than Palin to be the loser's token VP candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: The thirstiest cover letter in political history: Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. Well, she is a black, a woman, and kinda delusional. That could play well to the base? I thought the Michigan Governor was it until she ***** up this lock down so badly. Now I wonder if she could deliver the state? Amy Klobucher? Biden could use Minnesota. Hillary won by a slim margin, but there is no guarantee this time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Ocasio-Cortez says it's 'legitimate to talk about' allegation against Biden Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Tuesday addressed a sexual assault allegation against presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden by a former Senate staffer, saying it was “legitimate to talk about.” Ocasio-Cortez was asked about the allegation against the former vice president during an online forum hosted by The Wing, a women’s network and community space, by a questioner who said she was strongly opposed to President Trump’s reelection but that she also "really resent the fact that the other choice is someone who has a really long history of being creepy to women," citing the allegation by former staffer Tara Reade. "I think it's legitimate to talk about these things," Ocasio-Cortez responded, according to CBS News. "And if we want, if we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know — both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you, until it inconveniences us." </snip> 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: The thirstiest cover letter in political history: Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. ...quite the conundrum...Joe offers nothing as well...…...uh oh...………. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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