The Real Buffalo Joe Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) With two spring leagues starting in the next two years, The Alliance of American Football in 2019, and a revamp of the XFL in 2020, which league will have the most long term success? Edited September 27, 2018 by The Real Buffalo Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I think XFL will putter out quickly. I’m hoping the Alliance league will stick more to the script and hopefully what NFL Europe wanted to be. A place where undrafted and late round guys can be given a chance to develop and earn a bit of cash. Similar too, but far different than the AHL for the NHL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 I think the XFL is going after the good ol' boy, anti kneeling crowd that are boycotting the NFL. They'll have some initially high ratings, but will putter out quicker. The XFL will probably sign some college stars that didn't pan out in the NFL. Manziel, Tebow, etc. If they learn from their mistakes, they'll be less gimmicky than last time. They'll probably also pander to the "NFL has gotten too soft" crowd. AAF will have smaller, but much more steady viewership. They also have the advantage of starting a year earlier. They seem to have a long term goal of forming an official partnership with the NFL. An NFL Europe, without the European aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Spring ball won't succeed until the NFL signs off on a league that they run or at least support. There's definitely a market for spring football, but it needs massive marketing and TV exposure. The NFL can provide both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Spring ball won't succeed until the NFL signs off on a league that they run or at least support. There's definitely a market for spring football, but it needs massive marketing and TV exposure. The NFL can provide both. If AAF survives the first two years, I can see them being absored by, or partnering with, the NFL.Their recruiting model already is based on each team only picking up players that most recently retired from certain NFL/NCAA teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Spring ball won't succeed until the NFL signs off on a league that they run or at least support. There's definitely a market for spring football, but it needs massive marketing and TV exposure. The NFL can provide both. Exactly. The only way it works is as the NFL's minor/developmental league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I wouldn’t be surprised if the XFL folds before it even begins 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 It only works if they can land some actual talent. Think suspended NFL players, washed up guys who used to be stars. And it only works if they emphasize the areas the NFL is screwing up. Gotta have some elaborate celebrations that make headlines, some real rugged bonedrushing defense. If it’s just watered down NFL nobody is gonna watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Spring ball won't succeed until the NFL signs off on a league that they run or at least support. There's definitely a market for spring football, but it needs massive marketing and TV exposure. The NFL can provide both. .......and players need money. they wanna get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 The AAF actually has a decent chance to succeed because of the football people running it. I wouldn't be too shocked if the XFL never even makes it to air. Also if they do, the AAF will have beat them to the punch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted September 28, 2018 Author Share Posted September 28, 2018 13 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: The AAF actually has a decent chance to succeed because of the football people running it. I wouldn't be too shocked if the XFL never even makes it to air. Also if they do, the AAF will have beat them to the punch Agreed. Polian alone carries enough clout to be taken seriously. I said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't be surprised if they were absorbed by the NFL as an official developmental league. I'm sure there have been off the record conversations about it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 This is the first I'm hearing of the AAF, so I voted no on that. Unfortunately for the XFL, I have already heard about it, including Vince McMahon's ad pitch for the reboot, so I voted no on that one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Agreed. Polian alone carries enough clout to be taken seriously. I said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't be surprised if they were absorbed by the NFL as an official developmental league. I'm sure there have been off the record conversations about it already. It would actually be a perfect development league for player that are on the fringe of making a low-end roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 If they worked together maybe a single new league could have a go at it, but two separate fledgling leagues, they're both doomed to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Everybody wants more football but a developmental league isn’t going to Happen for a few reasons The development league already exists , it’s called the NCAA and NFL practice squad and the cream does rise to the top If you CANNOT stick to an NFL practice squad with 1-2 years of trying there is no need to develop because you probably aren’t good enough for the league its the best 1% of football players in the world... the cream of the crop there is also a shortage of GOOD NFL line play. NFL teams struggle to find Quality NFL lineman already... the line play in these leagues will be a joke because ALL the talented lineman with a chance to succeed are scooped by the NFL its a great idea but it doenst really work ... baseball is played all over the world so MLB can have a minors.. they have the #s and talent there aren’t enough high end football players in America for 2 competitive leagues... there is hardly enough for 1 The #s and talent just isn’t there in large #s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/28/2018 at 1:17 PM, Buffalo716 said: Everybody wants more football but a developmental league isn’t going to Happen for a few reasons The development league already exists , it’s called the NCAA and NFL practice squad and the cream does rise to the top If you CANNOT stick to an NFL practice squad with 1-2 years of trying there is no need to develop because you probably aren’t good enough for the league its the best 1% of football players in the world... the cream of the crop there is also a shortage of GOOD NFL line play. NFL teams struggle to find Quality NFL lineman already... the line play in these leagues will be a joke because ALL the talented lineman with a chance to succeed are scooped by the NFL its a great idea but it doenst really work ... baseball is played all over the world so MLB can have a minors.. they have the #s and talent there aren’t enough high end football players in America for 2 competitive leagues... there is hardly enough for 1 The #s and talent just isn’t there in large #s While you're probably 100% right, talent level would have little to do with either of them succeeding. It'll come down to marketing. In the same way that minor league baseball doesn't draw based on W/L, but what other gimmicks can draw a crowd. If the leauges signed a few big name college players, who couldn't make it in the NFL, (Tebow, Manziel, Trent Richardson, etc.) they'll draw. Hell, put a team in Alabama that recruits primarily Alabama/Auburn players, they'll have a respectable fan base who want to watch something waiting for the real season to start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: While you're probably 100% right, talent level would have little to do with either of them succeeding. It'll come down to marketing. In the same way that minor league baseball doesn't draw based on W/L, but what other gimmicks can draw a crowd. If the leauges signed a few big name college players, who couldn't make it in the NFL, (Tebow, Manziel, Trent Richardson, etc.) they'll draw. Hell, put a team in Alabama that recruits primarily Alabama/Auburn players, they'll have a respectable fan base who want to watch something waiting for the real season to start. That’s not a bad idea with the Alabama team... fill them with undrafted Bama and Auburn guys and give them a team in that league probably be Champs lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 Just found out Houston is getting an XFL team, playing at UH's stadium. Will definitely be at first game, and if ticket prices are reasonable, might just get season tickets, assuming the league comes to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 The more I look into these leagues, I see the AAF possibly having success. They seem to be serious about developing their players to hopefully go on to careers in the NFL. AAF seems to want to be friendly with the NFL and NCAA. On the other hand, the XFL seems to want to be an alternative to the NFL. Not necessarily a direct competitor, but definitely take the NFL boycotters away. It also seems that, although not as gimmicky as the first time, the XFL will still be all about the spectacle. I see them signing a lot of big name has beens, IE Manziel. I wouldn't even be surprised to see them sign TO to a contract. Even if he only takes a few snaps, signs some autographs, and collects his paycheck. It's the name they're paying for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 9/28/2018 at 2:17 PM, Buffalo716 said: Everybody wants more football but a developmental league isn’t going to Happen for a few reasons The development league already exists , it’s called the NCAA and NFL practice squad and the cream does rise to the top If you CANNOT stick to an NFL practice squad with 1-2 years of trying there is no need to develop because you probably aren’t good enough for the league its the best 1% of football players in the world... the cream of the crop there is also a shortage of GOOD NFL line play. NFL teams struggle to find Quality NFL lineman already... the line play in these leagues will be a joke because ALL the talented lineman with a chance to succeed are scooped by the NFL its a great idea but it doenst really work ... baseball is played all over the world so MLB can have a minors.. they have the #s and talent there aren’t enough high end football players in America for 2 competitive leagues... there is hardly enough for 1 The #s and talent just isn’t there in large #s Development issues for offense linemen is due to the NFLPA. It is the position which needs most development. It will not be an issue with the new development league unless the players are very, very stupid. Plenty of players developed late - CFL, NFLE and Arena ball - and most of those opportunities are gone. There is no way all of the cream of the crop are in NFL as proved by these players coming in and excelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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