26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Billick: Josh Allen Should Start For Bills It’s not easy for rookie quarterbacks to play in Week 1 of the NFL season – especially when they’re inserted once their team is down 40-0 in the third quarter. That, however, was Josh Allen’s fate. Yes, the No. 7 overall pick made his NFL debut in Baltimore on Sunday, fishing 6-of-15 for 74 yards in a 47-3 loss to the Ravens. “I thought they’d start Josh Allen from the get-go,” NFL Network analyst Bill Billick said on Tiki and Tierney, “(but) as I was watching the Ravens defense (in the preseason), I said, ‘You know what? They may very well not start Josh Allen – because the last thing I want to do is expose a rookie to that defense.’ That could leave a mark.” Instead, the Bills started Nathan Peterman, who finished 5-of-18 for 24 yards and two interceptions. “How many examples do we need to see that this guy cannot play in the National Football League?” Billick asked. “Let him take the heat of what he was going to face in Baltimore. I’d be shocked if we didn’t see Josh Allen starting now going forward now that they’re past this onslaught of the Ravens defense. I am Mr. Advocate for starting rookies and playing them as much as you can, but I’m not sure I would have started Josh Allen against that defense.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 It is a good question Brian. I can see it, you can see it, most fans can see it, the world's media can see it..... Sean needs to watch more time. Lord of Life Alive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Billick: Josh Allen Should Start For Bills It’s not easy for rookie quarterbacks to play in Week 1 of the NFL season – especially when they’re inserted once their team is down 40-0 in the third quarter. That, however, was Josh Allen’s fate. Yes, the No. 7 overall pick made his NFL debut in Baltimore on Sunday, fishing 6-of-15 for 74 yards in a 47-3 loss to the Ravens. “I thought they’d start Josh Allen from the get-go,” NFL Network analyst Bill Billick said on Tiki and Tierney, “(but) as I was watching the Ravens defense (in the preseason), I said, ‘You know what? They may very well not start Josh Allen – because the last thing I want to do is expose a rookie to that defense.’ That could leave a mark.” Instead, the Bills started Nathan Peterman, who finished 5-of-18 for 24 yards and two interceptions. “How many examples do we need to see that this guy cannot play in the National Football League?” Billick asked. “Let him take the heat of what he was going to face in Baltimore. I’d be shocked if we didn’t see Josh Allen starting now going forward now that they’re past this onslaught of the Ravens defense. I am Mr. Advocate for starting rookies and playing them as much as you can, but I’m not sure I would have started Josh Allen against that defense.” ...at least he qualified his comments and rightfully so......as well as behind that OL........sure don't want to see this kid on a gurney behind Castillo's coaching ineptitude.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 If they give Peterman the start than no doubt this coaching staff lives in a bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridrick Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 most adults on the forum can see it. Why keep the guy if he cant play in the NFL? That's just the long term plan of building the squad some will argue. Keep putting Peterson in there and you'll cut guys like Edmunds career short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is a good question Brian. I can see it, you can see it, most fans can see it, the world's media can see it..... Sean needs to watch more time. Lord of Life Alive. Have you ever been more right about anything than your analysis of Peterman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, JPP said: If they give Peterman the start than no doubt this coaching staff lives in a bubble And should be fired. On the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridrick Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Like A Mofo said: And should be fired. On the spot. and if he doesnt start him he shows that he didnt know what he was doing since April or even last season when he benched TT for Peterman. So either way he needs his hands off of the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 If McD starts Peterman again it's only to protect his rookie from getting lambasted behind a bad, bad O line 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, gridrick said: most adults on the forum can see it. Why keep the guy if he cant play in the NFL? That's just the long term plan of building the squad some will argue. Keep putting Peterson in there and you'll cut guys like Edmunds career short ...so then why the rush to trade McCarron for a HIGHLY valued and COVETED 5th round pick?....he may not have been the answer, but there were too many unanswered questions about Peterman as your starter while Josh develops.....sure Peterman had a fine TC & pre-season...but since when are rubber bullets the same as "live ammo"?......McD as the "guy in charge", Frazier, Daboll and Castillo were all woefully inept coaching failures with ZERO answers for the Ravens.... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbills Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Yeah, start the rookie and injure him before his career even begins behind a horrible O-Line, anyone who wants to start Allen isn't thinking straight, I guess Billick thinks the Chargers, Vikings and Packers don't have defenses similar to the Ravens or something? You start Allen and when he does terrible against these defenses then what? Why even risk him getting injured in the process? This is exactly why we should have kept AJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, JPP said: If they give Peterman the start than no doubt this coaching staff lives in a bubble if they give peterman the start, they just freed up my fall sundays. 1 minute ago, paulbills said: Yeah, start the rookie and injure him before his career even begins behind a horrible O-Line, anyone who wants to start Allen isn't thinking straight, I guess Billick thinks the Chargers, Vikings and Packers don't have defenses similar to the Ravens or something? You start Allen and when he does terrible against these defenses then what? Why even risk him getting injured in the process? This is exactly why we should have kept AJ. we should wrap him in bubble wrap and put him on a shelf until we have an all-pro line and hall of fame WR corp. and then we'll have an unwrapping ceremony, and he can bloom into a super bowl QB. that's how you do these things. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Beane should be on the phone to Paxton Lynch, Matt Moore and looking for a left guard that can actually block without penalties. Not to mention a WR who can get separation AND CATCH THE DARN BALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I hope I’m wrong but Allen gives me Kyle Boller flashbacks. Boller had a cannon!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbills Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: if they give peterman the start, they just freed up my fall sundays. we should wrap him in bubble wrap and put him on a shelf until we have an all-pro line and hall of fame WR corp. and then we'll have an unwrapping ceremony, and he can bloom into a super bowl QB. that's how you do these things. Or you can throw a starter out there (this is where AJ would have been perfect in place of peterman) and give Allen his reps in the 3rd and 4th when games become out of reach, you don't just throw him to the wolves and pray for the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Nihilarian said: Beane should be on the phone to Paxton Lynch, Matt Moore and looking for a left guard that can actually block without penalties. Not to mention a WR who can get separation AND CATCH THE DARN BALL! Little late to be doing that now. I almost will give them a pass for the oline because of Wood’s injury, RI insanity, etc. but they have sucked at evaluating wrs for 2 years! How do you into a season again with such a garbage group? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridrick Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so then why the rush to trade McCarron for a HIGHLY valued and COVETED 5th round pick?....he may not have been the answer, but there were too many unanswered questions about Peterman as your starter while Josh develops.....sure Peterman had a fine TC & pre-season...but since when are rubber bullets the same as "live ammo"?......McD as the "guy in charge", Frazier, Daboll and Castillo were all woefully inept coaching failures with ZERO answers for the Ravens.... Peterman might outplay Montana in preseson, but who are ya gonna start? What your saying is the writing on the wall, it's a matter of time before this regime is exited unless Allen can save their ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Have you ever been more right about anything than your analysis of Peterman? Ha. Not for me to decide. I am not in the least bit surprised put it that way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridrick Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I hope I’m wrong but Allen gives me Kyle Boller flashbacks. Boller had a cannon!!! Allen gives me Kurt Warner flashbacks with being cool under serious pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Little late to be doing that now. I almost will give them a pass for the oline because of Wood’s injury, RI insanity, etc. but they have sucked at evaluating wrs for 2 years! How do you into a season again with such a garbage group? My dad insists that they don’t value speed enough. I’m not sure that I disagree. You need to make plays over the top in this league (at least sometimes). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Little late to be doing that now. I almost will give them a pass for the oline because of Wood’s injury, RI insanity, etc. but they have sucked at evaluating wrs for 2 years! How do you into a season again with such a garbage group? Chicken or the egg? What FA WR was coming to Buffalo in March when the QBs were McCarron & Peterman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I hope I’m wrong but Allen gives me Kyle Boller flashbacks. Boller had a cannon!!! Boller may have had a cannon, but his accuracy makes Allen’s accuracy look like Aaron Rodgers. Boller was a career 47% college passer. Boller had a year in college where he completed at a 38.6%. He actually increases that by 10% in the NFL. If Allen increases his accuracy by only half of what Boller did, he will be very good. Edited September 10, 2018 by Bills2ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I hope I’m wrong but Allen gives me Kyle Boller flashbacks. Boller had a cannon!!! Oh, yea lets knock the kid who came in and looked halfway decent and not the WR's who couldn't get separation or catch the ball most of the time. Or the O line players that when something good did happen on offense they usually got a penalty to kill it. Or Bills DBs that can't cover. Josh Allen was the very least of the problems... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridrick Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Allen looked great under the circumstances...accurate too. Let them keep talking about his accuracy, i believe the eye test. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: My dad insists that they don’t value speed enough. I’m not sure that I disagree. You need to make plays over the top in this league (at least sometimes). Yup. People laugh at Sammy being a decoy but he does open things for the offense. Yet we keep Foster who has all the traits in a good wr minus the ability to catch! 4 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Boller may have had a cannon, but his accuracy makes Allen’s accuracy look like Aaron Rodgers. Boller was a career 47% college passer. Boller had a year in college where he completed at a 38.6%. He actually increases that by 10% in the NFL. If Allen increases his accuracy by only half of what Boller did, he will be very good. Boller’s Last year in college was 53%, 28 tds and 10 ints in the PAC 12. Allen was 56% in the MWC. These guys irrationally love strong armed qbs and Billick is a lot better offense coach than anyone on our staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Little late to be doing that now. I almost will give them a pass for the oline because of Wood’s injury, RI insanity, etc. but they have sucked at evaluating wrs for 2 years! How do you into a season again with such a garbage group? In 2010 the Bills started the season 0-8 with Fitz running for his life every game. Buddy Nix brought in RT Erik Pears, RG Kraig Urbik to keep from going 0-16. Time for Beane to bring in some help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, gridrick said: Allen looked great under the circumstances...accurate too. Let them keep talking about his accuracy, i believe the eye test. He played against a prevent defense and backups. He “led” us to 3 points. I mean he wasn’t the reason they lost but man, he hardly did anything to suggest he is ready to start minus not being a complete tire fire like Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: And should be fired. On the spot. Cant be that stupid.....if so than after the 2nd blowout again this staff will have zero credability or respect from other teams and more importantly it will be a matter of time before the players turn..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Nihilarian said: In 2010 the Bills started the season 0-8 with Fitz running for his life every game. Buddy Nix brought in RT Erik Pears, RG Kraig Urbik to keep from going 0-16. Time for Beane to bring in some help. Good call back and that would be a great sign of how good of a GM McBeane is. It’s so hard to bring players in mid season though because it takes so much time to get them up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He played against a prevent defense and backups. He “led” us to 3 points. I mean he wasn’t the reason they lost but man, he hardly did anything to suggest he is ready to start minus not being a complete tire fire like Peterman. He threw catchable balls beyond 10 yards on a field that was waterlogged for an extra 2.5 hr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, GG said: Chicken or the egg? What FA WR was coming to Buffalo in March when the QBs were McCarron & Peterman? It’s a good question. Our wrs are pretty garbage but they would look better with Rodgers or Brady. At the same point, you need a field stretcher that the defense respects. This regime has completely neglected that though I guess Coleman was a shot at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s a good question. Our wrs are pretty garbage but they would look better with Rodgers or Brady. At the same point, you need a field stretcher that the defense respects. This regime has completely neglected that though I guess Coleman was a shot at it. I was referring specifically to John Brown, who said he turned the Bills down in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 nailed it. question is who would want to come to buffalo as a qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, GG said: He threw catchable balls beyond 10 yards on a field that was waterlogged for an extra 2.5 hr. I mean Flacco had no problem with the same football. But it you’re right. I’m being tough on him. I do feel like fans would rip EJ for the same performance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He played against a prevent defense and backups. He “led” us to 3 points. I mean he wasn’t the reason they lost but man, he hardly did anything to suggest he is ready to start minus not being a complete tire fire like Peterman. they should of kept 3 QB's.....this now is not a good situation at all.....you got a raw rookie that did some good things in live action compared to a QB that has no business ever stepping on an NFL field again......even if Peterman was still in against the prevent D and backups for the remainder of the game i really dont see anything different from him....he was just garbage as far as the QB position goes..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, GG said: I was referring specifically to John Brown, who said he turned the Bills down in FA. I completely forgot about him. Not a big fan of his anyways. Struggles to stay healthy and probably won’t be much of a player here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Good call back and that would be a great sign of how good of a GM McBeane is. It’s so hard to bring players in mid season though because it takes so much time to get them up to speed. Look, I know you didn't like Josh Allen before the draft and still are attempting to discredit him. Let it go as he was the least of the teams worries against the Ravens as the Bills players actually rallied around him from what I heard. It's not MIDSEASON...it's the first game and it shouldn't take that long for any player to do better than some of those linemen like Vlad the horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean Flacco had no problem with the same football. But it you’re right. I’m being tough on him. I do feel like fans would rip EJ for the same performance. EJM had better talent surrounding him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, JPP said: they should of kept 3 QB's.....this now is not a good situation at all.....you got a raw rookie that did some good things in live action compared to a QB that has no business ever stepping on an NFL field again......even if Peterman was still in against the prevent D and backups for the remainder of the game i really dont see anything different from him....he was just garbage as far as the QB position goes..... I don’t think AJ is a good and a 5th round pick is good value for him. But he won’t have looked as bad as Peterman. Plus, who is the vet QBs for Allen to talk to? Peterman? this franchise still undervalued the qb position. Why not have 3 of the most valuable position on the roster? To have an extra KR? 1 minute ago, Nihilarian said: Look, I know you didn't like Josh Allen before the draft and still are attempting to discredit him. Let it go as he was the least of the teams worries against the Ravens as the Bills players actually rallied around him from what I heard. It's not MIDSEASON...it's the first game and it shouldn't take that long for any player to do better than some of those linemen like Vlad the horrible. Fair point. Not a fan of the pick and didn’t see anything super exciting about his play. But he wasn’t unwatchable like Peterman. So that’s a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I completely forgot about him. Not a big fan of his anyways. Struggles to stay healthy and probably won’t be much of a player here. No bigs. Just pointing out that the end result of free agency may not reflect the effort. Woods' injury and Richie's crazytown really hampered what they could do in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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