teef Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Self-hatred? It’s a known phenomenon. And everyone tried to explain to me that Reuben Foster was guilty and Robert Foster had a 0% chance of making the team. I like my chances of being right about Richie too. this has zero to do with the conversation we're having right now. you being right on that has nothing to do with being right about cogs. i'm not sure why you even brought it up. do you think incognito not being able to physically play due to medical issues had anything to do with it? the bills couldn't have caused that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: The short time lag is very easy to explain. He signed the contract and then had buyers remorse. The drug connection is pure speculation. That he was unhappy with the contract, even though he signed it is fact. Based on what we know, the most logical explanation is that his breakdown was triggered by the contract. Drugs is the most logical explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Self-hatred? It’s a known phenomenon. You're such a child.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, teef said: this has zero to do with the conversation we're having right now. you being right on that has nothing to do with being right about cogs. i'm not sure why you even brought it up. do you think incognito not being able to physically play due to medical issues had anything to do with it? the bills couldn't have caused that. I don’t think he has medical issues, at least not to the extent that he indicated. Edited September 5, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: I don’t think he has medical issues, at least not to the extent that he indicated. so...even though he very publicly indicated he did, you don't think he was telling the truth? you have very little info which causes you to jump to a pretty illogical conclusion. when presented with some evidence from the person himself, you completely discount it because it doesn't fit your original idea. got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: so...even though he very publicly indicated he did, you don't think he was telling the truth? you have very little info which causes you to jump to a pretty illogical conclusion. when presented with some evidence from the person himself, you completely discount it because it doesn't fit your original idea. got it. I think he expressed his thoughts about his medical condition when he was in a mentally disturbed condition triggered by the contract negotiation and low ball contract offer. What is “pretty illogical” about my opinion about what happened with Richie? It appears that he still wants to play. Would he want to play if his major organs were really shutting down! I think he probably has some medical issues front playing football from most of his life, but his comments were hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: I think he expressed his thoughts about his medical condition when he was in a mentally disturbed condition triggered by the contract negotiation and low ball contract offer. What is “pretty illogical” about my opinion about what happened with Richie? It appears that he still wants to play. Would he want to play if his major organs were really shutting down! I think he probably has some medical issues front playing football from most of his life, but his comments were hyperbole. so what you're going to do here is find a way to twist the story any way you can to fit the idea that the bills caused incognito's breakdown. what's pretty illogical is that you refuse to look at a very large history of mental illness, or how mental illness even works. i suppose there's no discussion to be had here with you. hey...i tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Doc said: Drugs is the most logical explanation. Maybe the negotiations and low ball contract offer caused him to take illicit drugs or get off his meds, which in turn triggered a breakdown. I can buy that. Just now, teef said: so what you're going to do here is find a way to twist the story any way you can to fit the idea that the bills caused incognito's breakdown. what's pretty illogical is that you refuse to look at a very large history of mental illness, or how mental illness even works. i suppose there's no discussion to be had here with you. hey...i tired. Not sure why you keep saying the Bills caused Richie’s breakdown when I have stated multiple times that wasn’t the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Maybe the negotiations and low ball contract offer caused him to take illicit drugs or get off his meds, which in turn triggered a breakdown. I can buy that. Not sure why you keep saying the Bills caused Richie’s breakdown when I have stated multiple times that wasn’t the case. or maybe he was on drugs, acting differently, causing the bills to start to distance themselves, got news of the medical condition, and then had the breakdown. see how there's a lot of variables here? i swear, cogs himself could tell you that the contract didn't set off his decline, and you'd still argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, teef said: or maybe he was on drugs, acting differently, causing the bills to start to distance themselves, got news of the medical condition, and then had the breakdown. see how there's a lot of variables here? i swear, cogs himself could tell you that the contract didn't set off his decline, and you'd still argue. Madone already. The Bills didn’t “distance themselves”, they offered him a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Madone already. The Bills didn’t “distance themselves”, they offered him a contract. we're done here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Do you think if had mental health or life threatening medical issues they would have offered him a contract? Jesuit education must have really dropped off since I graduated undergrad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: Do you think if had mental health or life threatening medical issues they would have offered him a contract? Jesuit education must have really dropped off since I graduated undergrad. says the guy that's somehow impressed with the academics of alabama. on occasion my 3 year old will get a wrong idea in her head. when i try to correct her, she sometimes refuses to listen to any reason. i just chalk it up to that simple, developing brain, and walk away. that's what i'm doing here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 33 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Maybe the negotiations and low ball contract offer caused him to take illicit drugs or get off his meds, which in turn triggered a breakdown. I can buy that. Go ahead and buy it. It's still the least likely explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: The short time lag is very easy to explain. He signed the contract and then had buyers remorse. The drug connection is pure speculation. That he was unhappy with the contract, even though he signed it is fact. Based on what we know, the most logical explanation is that his breakdown was triggered by the contract. OK, we'll agree to disagree then, including disagreement about your use of the word "logical". "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Buyer's Remorse and Unhappiness with a contract do not "trigger" mental breakdowns in people who are not already in a parlous mental state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, teef said: says the guy that's somehow impressed with the academics of alabama. on occasion my 3 year old will get a wrong idea in her head. when i try to correct her, she sometimes refuses to listen to any reason. i just chalk it up to that simple, developing brain, and walk away. that's what i'm doing here. If you want to discuss Alabama, PM me. It’s completely irrelevant to this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 What was that **** Ritchie was taking and blamed the gym incident on? "Lowball contract" something or other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, we'll agree to disagree then, including disagreement about your use of the word "logical". "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya Buyer's Remorse and Unhappiness with a contract do not "trigger" mental breakdowns in people who are not already in a parlous mental state. We all know he isn’t a stable guy, although he had no issues that I am aware of in 3 or so years with Buffalo. How do you know what his triggers are or aren’t? The contract issues could also have occurred parallel with some other personal issues, like his father’s health. I do think that the contract was at least a contributing factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Maybe the negotiations and low ball contract offer caused him to take illicit drugs or get off his meds, which in turn triggered a breakdown. I can buy that. Not sure why you keep saying the Bills caused Richie’s breakdown when I have stated multiple times that wasn’t the case. Yes, NFL players who are offered reduced/renegotiated contracts always show their displeasure with the "low ball offer" by first willingly signing the offer and THEN they go crazy and/or take drugs that make them crazy. Anyway, he was still going to make more in 2018 than he made in 2017. It was restructure or they were going to cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: If you want to discuss Alabama, PM me. It’s completely irrelevant to this topic. shhhh. you're tired and a bit over stimulated. why don't you sit quietly for a bit and have some you time. also, if alabama is irrelevant to this topic, why bring up a jesuit education? isn't that also irrelevant to the topic too? do you see why people don't take you seriously? Edited September 5, 2018 by teef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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