CNY315 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) Chris Simms is on The Herd. Says Allen is the most impressive rookie QB so far and should start. For what it's worth Edited August 20, 2018 by CNY315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, CNY315 said: Chris Simms is on The Herd. Says Allen is the most impressive rookie QB so far and should start. For what it's worth Sims has liked him since day 1..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I hope he isn't named starter. This preseason has been fairly reminiscent of 2013 when we signed Matt Flynn to keep EJ Manuel on the bench, he got hurt and we didn't bother trying to find another QB and we let our unprepared 1st round project on the field far too early. EJ had played relatively well, and we opted to start him even though the scouting reports all said he was a project. Allen is also a project, and although he's had a decent preseason so far making a couple flashy throws, we need to remember that he's mostly playing vanilla coverages and things will be much more complicated once the regular season begins and the games matter. His completion percentage and particularly his YPA is still very low so we shouldn't be acting like he's lighting the world on fire. What he has done is look the part in terms of demeanour and his control of the huddle, but we shouldn't get carried away. A small sample size of work in the preseason doesn't negate hours of film study which showed Allen as a guy who has a lot of work left to do. Additionally, Peterman has looked pretty good. I'd rather "trust the process" and play Peterman for as long as we can and stick with the plan to develop Allen. Putting him on the bench for a month or two, and letting him learn to be a pro and watch film on his opponents to see what he'll face in the regular season seems like the best option when thinking long term. I know the fans want instant gratification, but if the hope is that he'll be our QB for 10 years, I can wait a month, or even the full year if it increases his chances of being successful in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I hope he isn't named starter. This preseason has been fairly reminiscent of 2013 when we signed Matt Flynn to keep EJ Manuel on the bench, he got hurt and we didn't bother trying to find another QB and we let our unprepared 1st round project on the field far too early. EJ had played relatively well, and we opted to start him even though the scouting reports all said he was a project. Allen is also a project, and although he's had a decent preseason so far making a couple flashy throws, we need to remember that he's mostly playing vanilla coverages and things will be much more complicated once the regular season begins and the games matter. His completion percentage and particularly his YPA is still very low so we shouldn't be acting like he's lighting the world on fire. What he has done is look the part in terms of demeanour and his control of the huddle, but we shouldn't get carried away. A small sample size of work in the preseason doesn't negate hours of film study which showed Allen as a guy who has a lot of work left to do. Additionally, Peterman has looked pretty good. I'd rather "trust the process" and play Peterman for as long as we can and stick with the plan to develop Allen. Putting him on the bench for a month or two, and letting him learn to be a pro and watch film on his opponents to see what he'll face in the regular season seems like the best option when thinking long term. I know the fans want instant gratification, but if the hope is that he'll be our QB for 10 years, I can wait a month, or even the full year if it increases his chances of being successful in the long run. It was Kevin Kolb who the Bills signed, but he was done in by a Mat. At any rate, this is a different scenario. The best QB should play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It was Kevin Kolb who the Bills signed, but he was done in by a Mat. At any rate, this is a different scenario. The best QB should play. True. The best QB so far appears to have been Peterman. I'd like to see him keep Allen on the bench for at least a month so he can learn what it's like to be a pro and the preparation that needs to go into an NFL game before handing him the reigns. I'm not comfortable whatsoever giving him the ball week 1 when every scouting report said he was an enormous project. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I know the fans want instant gratification, but if the hope is that he'll be our QB for 10 years, I can wait a month, or even the full year if it increases his chances of being successful in the long run. I think most fans want the best QB on the roster to start; I know I do. Preseason game 3 will tell a lot. If Allen makes good decisions/throws with the first team (and against a first team D), then I think it's a no-brainer that he's the better of the two (three if you still want to count McCarron). Just put the best QB out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: True. The best QB so far appears to have been Peterman. I'd like to see him keep Allen on the bench for at least a month so he can learn what it's like to be a pro and the preparation that needs to go into an NFL game before handing him the reigns. I'm not comfortable whatsoever giving him the ball week 1 when every scouting report said he was an enormous project. Don't you mean we should just cut Allen now and save ourselves the trouble? I mean... On 1/15/2018 at 9:27 AM, jrober38 said: Guys with his set of "Negatives" never work out in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 If the oline wasnt so shaky id be all about it but i feel like this time it might be best to place this one close to the chest and let him sit for a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: True. The best QB so far appears to have been Peterman. I'd like to see him keep Allen on the bench for at least a month so he can learn what it's like to be a pro and the preparation that needs to go into an NFL game before handing him the reigns. I'm not comfortable whatsoever giving him the ball week 1 when every scouting report said he was an enormous project. Not the way I see it. He looks like the same guy with limitations who'll be exposed by 1st team defenses in regular season game action. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Peterman can't throw an out without everyone holding their breath. Dude has a jelly arm and it won't be pretty starting him just because we are afraid of failing with Allen. Allen is our future and the guy who gives us the best chance at winning on day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Don't you mean we should just cut Allen now and save ourselves the trouble? I mean... Talk to me in 3 years. 20 preseason passes probably isn't a large enough sample size to see how his career will go or start acting like people who bashed him before the draft should eat crow. 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not the way I see it. He looks like the same guy with limitations who'll be exposed by 1st team defenses in regular season game action. Probably. I still don't want Allen on the field though. In my eyes, the longer Allen sits the better he'll be for it long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Talk to me in 3 years. 20 preseason passes probably isn't a large enough sample size to see how his career will go or start acting like people who bashed him before the draft should eat crow. Right, because it makes WAY more sense to write him off before he's even been drafted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Right, because it makes WAY more sense to write him off before he's even been drafted. Again, feel free to talk to me in 3 years. I don't know what you're expecting me to say right now. None of us have any idea if Josh Allen is going to become a franchise calibre QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Again, feel free to talk to me in 3 years. I don't know what you're expecting me to say right now. None of us have any idea if Josh Allen is going to become a franchise calibre QB in the NFL. It just seems odd that you think having a surefire bust sitting on the bench is going to help him improve. Might as well get the Josh Allen experiment over with after the first drive of the Ravens game, amiright? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey152 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Again, feel free to talk to me in 3 years. I don't know what you're expecting me to say right now. None of us have any idea if Josh Allen is going to become a franchise calibre QB in the NFL. That's funny, because you seemed pretty sure before... Josh Allen was all set to be the poster child for the analytics crew...I think it's hilarious that he is shaping up to be the exact opposite, basically proving that a lot of those numbers are contextual and can't be compared in a vacuum. Edited August 20, 2018 by Mikey152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It just seems odd that you think having a surefire bust sitting on the bench is going to help him improve. Might as well get the Josh Allen experiment over with after the first drive of the Ravens game, amiright? You're right. Might as well throw him to the wolves. We'll be looking for a new QB in 3 years anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: You're right. Might as well throw him to the wolves. We'll be looking for a new QB in 3 years anyway. LOL Can't help myself, here: On 8/2/2018 at 4:29 AM, jrober38 said: I'm just pointing out that in the past 20 years, very few QBs benefited from sitting on the bench. Most good 1st round QBs started as rookies, with maybe a handful of 1st round guys over that span who sat behind an incumbent starter. Ultimately we're talking about a position where fewer than 50% of the QBs picked in round 1 become successful. If you take away the guys who went #1 overall, that figure drops to a success rate of about 30%. That's the reality we accepted when we picked Josh Allen. That's a lot of schizophrenic fail in just a few posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I hope he isn't named starter. This preseason has been fairly reminiscent of 2013 when we signed Matt Flynn to keep EJ Manuel on the bench, he got hurt and we didn't bother trying to find another QB and we let our unprepared 1st round project on the field far too early. EJ had played relatively well, and we opted to start him even though the scouting reports all said he was a project. Allen is also a project, and although he's had a decent preseason so far making a couple flashy throws, we need to remember that he's mostly playing vanilla coverages and things will be much more complicated once the regular season begins and the games matter. His completion percentage and particularly his YPA is still very low so we shouldn't be acting like he's lighting the world on fire. What he has done is look the part in terms of demeanour and his control of the huddle, but we shouldn't get carried away. A small sample size of work in the preseason doesn't negate hours of film study which showed Allen as a guy who has a lot of work left to do. Additionally, Peterman has looked pretty good. I'd rather "trust the process" and play Peterman for as long as we can and stick with the plan to develop Allen. Putting him on the bench for a month or two, and letting him learn to be a pro and watch film on his opponents to see what he'll face in the regular season seems like the best option when thinking long term. I know the fans want instant gratification, but if the hope is that he'll be our QB for 10 years, I can wait a month, or even the full year if it increases his chances of being successful in the long run. I am so sick and tired of reading that Allen is a “project” that needs to sit, watch, and learn. He’s our best QB, rookie or not. He needs to play and learn, NOW. He also gives us the best chance of winning, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: LOL Can't help myself, here: That's a lot of schizophrenic fail in just a few posts. Nothing you've dug up that I said is wrong. Guys like Allen practically never work out. Some guys who sat on the bench for a year or more did work out. The number of guys who sat and were successful is greater than the number of guys who completed less than 57% of their passes in college. Maybe sitting will help. History clearly shows playing guys like him immediately will end in disaster. Edited August 20, 2018 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey152 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, The Senator said: I am so sick and tired of reading that Allen is a “project” that needs to sit, watch, and learn. He’s our best QB, rookie or not. He needs to play and learn, NOW. He also gives us the best chance of winning, now. People said he was a "project" because they thought he had crappy accuracy and sloppy footwork. But the reality is he is a smart kid who ran what was quite possibly the most (or second most behind Rosen) pro-style offense of all the rookies. Not to mention his physical tools which can mask some of the typical rookie problems. He had the highest floor, not the lowest...once you got past the narrative that he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, anyway (bear in mind this sentiment was based almost 100% on his stats and not his actual ability) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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