DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Only date the servers, don't manage them. Life lessons. And only with the Gregorian Calendar. Never epoch time. 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: We all saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears the President of the United States say that the intelligence service of his own country is not to be believed over a murdering dictator. If you prefer to stand with Putin vs. our people feel free. Ironically living in a great country like ours vs. what Putin runs gives you that right. 2003 called, they want their blind belief in the intelligence community back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: our people Which "our people?" "our people" who were responsible for the bay of pigs? "our people" who falsified information on WMD in Iraq? "our people" who toppled the democratically elected government in Iran? "our people" who detained people at black sites in third world countries and waterboarded them? "our people" who were weaponized to attempt to overthrow our OWN president? Yeah, I'm not sure which of "our people" I should be backing here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: AFAIK the FBI was satisfied with everything that was provided to them for them to conduct an examination which seems pretty comprehensive in light of the 12 indictments this past Friday. (with nothing but respect) That's the FBI's position, Comey was satisfied with not possessing the server and trusting CrowdStrike who was, in addition to being a contractor for the DNC and Clinton campaign, was also an FBI contractor. Those connections alone would cause any investigator worth their salt to pause - especially in light of the 10 day lapse between when the "hack(s)" took place and when it was reported to the FBI. Under normal circumstances this would look fishy - let alone the under the intense pressure of what was going on in 2016. When we're talking about the investigation into an attack on our elections by a foreign actor, in the middle of one of the more divisive campaigns in US history, this flub is egregious is it not? It can't be simply passed off as a non issue - not when Vault 7 calls into question every forensic conclusion drawn by the investigators. This decision by Comey NOT to take possession of the servers opened the FBI and the DNC up to all sorts of questions that deserve answers. Answers that could have been provided without qualification had the FBI just examined the evidence for themselves directly. With the help of DNI Coats and NSA head Mike Rogers, we know for a fact that the FBI Counter Intelligence Division (CID) was illegally abusing FBI/NSA servers to spy on Americans without a warrant during this time period. We know, for a fact not speculation, that private government contractors were the source of this abuse. We also know, for a fact, that CrowdStrike was a government contractor working inside the CID at the time of these abuses. This is backed by mountains of evidence. It's a bit suspicious that every single "hack" and event in the narrative happened after Mike Rogers ordered an audit into these abuses inside the CID. If you're a government contractor who's breached national security by installing back door access onto FBI/NSA servers and found out the NSA is now going to investigate that breach - wouldn't there be extreme motivation for you to hide that evidence? And wouldn't an excuse to wipe the server completely be a perfect solution? See. I have evidence to prove all that happened. I can prove there were abuses inside the CID. I can prove CrowdStrike had access. I can build a convincing case that shows it's possible - if not probable - that CrowdStrike created the persona of Guicifer 2.0 to get ahead of WikiLeaks' release of documents. What I can't prove is that the forensic evidence used by the FBI is legit because the original server was never turned over and all the evidence comes from a suspect of the investigation rather than an impartial investigative body like the FBI. In this environment, when discussing the most politically divisive scandal in US history, I most reasonable people would agree this isn't good enough. The FBI shouldn't have put themselves in a position where they had to trust the word of a third party contractor over being able to see the evidence directly for themselves. This gaffe, and it is a gaffe, in light of all the other revelations about what the FBI-CID was up to during that time frame raises reasonable doubt about the FBI and DNC's account. And Vault 7 raises reasonable doubt as to the findings in the most recent indictments. That's not conspiracy to suggest there's doubt. It's reality because of the way the FBI chose to handle the investigation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Gugny said: Not for nothin', but I'd like to manage a few servers from Hooters. Look at the Russia changed my vote thread. Lots of Catwoman gifs. That will cover you. 12 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Only date the servers, don't manage them. Life lessons. And when he's done he should wipe them clean. Like with a cloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: And when he's done he should wipe them clean. Like with a cloth. Winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Link to the exact quote? Or maybe you're adding words and context that didn't exist - because dishonesty is your thing. This guy needs proof that Trump sided with Putin over the USA. Pick up a paper. Traitor-abetting has powerful side effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And only with the Gregorian Calendar. Never epoch time. 2003 called, they want their blind belief in the intelligence community back. So you also believe in Putin more than our own intelligence services. Ok comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: This guy needs proof that Trump sided with Putin over the USA. Pick up a paper. Traitor-abetting has powerful side effects. So, you can't provide the quote that said what you said. Got it. Imagine that, in America asking for evidence of guilt before deciding one is guilty. Max doesn't believe in innocent until proven guilty I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Which "our people?" "our people" who were responsible for the bay of pigs? "our people" who falsified information on WMD in Iraq? "our people" who toppled the democratically elected government in Iran? "our people" who detained people at black sites in third world countries and waterboarded them? "our people" who were weaponized to attempt to overthrow our OWN president? Yeah, I'm not sure which of "our people" I should be backing here. Is our country completely clean? No. Should we stand with our country vs. a murdering dictator? It's sad that question even needs to be asked of some here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Is our country completely clean? No. Should we stand with our country vs. a murdering dictator? It's sad that question even needs to be asked of some here. I stand with our country. Which is why I stand with OUR president, rather than unelected, unaccountable thugs within the IC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: So you also believe in Putin more than our own intelligence services. Ok comrade. To be fair, Oldmanfan, Trump never said he trusted Putin over the IC. He's clumsy with words, undoubtedly, but even his word salad didn't say that. He said he doesn't trust Putin. Putin says he doesn't trust Trump. Trump said he has confidence in his IC as well, and reiterated it afterwards: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So you also believe in Putin more than our own intelligence services. Ok comrade. No, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. Your rampantly stupid hypocrisy: taking the word of a murdering dictator in 2003, and casting the same aspersion now on others. There's no deep, dualistic struggle of good vs. evil going on here. There's no choosing of sides. You're just deeply stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: No, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. Your rampantly stupid hypocrisy: taking the word of a murdering dictator in 2003, and casting the same aspersion now on others. There's no deep, dualistic struggle of good vs. evil going on here. There's no choosing of sides. You're just deeply stupid. When exactly did I take the word of a murderous dictator in 2003? And you call others stupid. The height of hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: To be fair, Oldmanfan, Trump never said he trusted Putin over the IC. He's clumsy with words, undoubtedly, but even his word salad didn't say that. He said he doesn't trust Putin. Putin says he doesn't trust Trump. Trump said he has confidence in his IC as well, and reiterated it afterwards: Too late, the narrative is set. Trump's second-biggest problem is the media misrepresenting everything he does and says. His biggest problem is HIM misrepresenting everything he does and says. Never in the entire history of human government has an executive so badly needed a potato-head-to-English translator. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: To be fair, Oldmanfan, Trump never said he trusted Putin over the IC. He's clumsy with words, undoubtedly, but even his word salad didn't say that. He said he doesn't trust Putin. Putin says he doesn't trust Trump. Trump said he has confidence in his IC as well, and reiterated it afterwards: I'm sooty but trying to rescue his inane comment with this tweet is ridiculous. You don't honestly think he believes this vs. the statement he made in the pressers do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: When exactly did I take the word of a murderous dictator in 2003? And you call others stupid. The height of hypocrisy. You supported the invasion of Iraq, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: I'm sooty but trying to rescue his inane comment with this tweet is ridiculous. You don't honestly think he believes this vs. the statement he made in the pressers do you? Which statement? My point is that people are parsing his words rather than looking at what he actually said. Go by the transcript. Not the cut up soundbytes. https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17576956/transcript-putin-trump-russia-helsinki-press-conference PUTIN: As to who is to be believed, who is not to be believed: you can trust no one. Where did you get this idea that President Trump trusts me or I trust him? He defends the interests of the United States of America and I do defend the interests of the Russian Federation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, joesixpack said: I stand with our country. Which is why I stand with OUR president, rather than unelected, unaccountable thugs within the IC. The ones appointed by the president you love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 (and this was one of the more interesting disclosures that no one picked up on) TRUMP: Well, our militaries do get along. Our militaries have gotten along probably better than our political leaders for years. Our militaries do get along very well. They do coordinate in Syria and other places. Okay? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts