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Beane moved up to 12 not necessarily to get closer to the top of the draft - he moved because going from 21 to 12 represented the most value (2nd rd pick equivalent) he could acquire for Gordy Glenn. He may very well take the 12th pick and trade back into the 20s and get the extra 2nd rd pick for doing so and let the draft come to him.  This draft is deep picking 22 & 28 and then 3 picks in round2  and then 2 in round 3 would be huge. Locking in 7 quality players for 4/5 years on cheap rookie contracts  - no way you piss that away

 

Beane didnt trade a 2nd rd pick to move up to 12.   He took the best value available to him while unloading Glenn and his big contract - very different.

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3 minutes ago, jahbonas said:

Beane moved up to 12 not necessarily to get closer to the top of the draft - he moved because going from 21 to 12 represented the most value (2nd rd pick equivalent) he could acquire for Gordy Glenn. He may very well take the 12th pick and trade back into the 20s and get the extra 2nd rd pick for doing so and let the draft come to him.  This draft is deep picking 22 & 28 and then 3 picks in round2  and then 2 in round 3 would be huge. Locking in 7 quality players for 4/5 years on cheap rookie contracts  - no way you piss that away

 

Beane didnt trade a 2nd rd pick to move up to 12.   He took the best value available to him while unloading Glenn and his big contract - very different.

 

No guarantee they will be good players. Our most recent 2nd round pick just released a naked blood video. Some of you have fallen in love with these draft picks and built up the prospects in you mind. The Patriots have 2 1st and 2 2nd rd picks and already have way more talent than us. So what will separate us in the post-Brady years? a couple extra picks? or hitting a home run with the QB? 

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9 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

Possible. I still think we get a QB.

 

Yes we could - and could sit at 12 and take a qb or a slight move up  - I'm just pointing out the false narrative put out by wgr/media that Beanes move to 12 showed his setting up for another big move to top 3 for a qb  - he just took the best value offered him

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14 minutes ago, jahbonas said:

Beane moved up to 12 not necessarily to get closer to the top of the draft - he moved because going from 21 to 12 represented the most value (2nd rd pick equivalent) he could acquire for Gordy Glenn. He may very well take the 12th pick and trade back into the 20s and get the extra 2nd rd pick for doing so and let the draft come to him.  This draft is deep picking 22 & 28 and then 3 picks in round2  and then 2 in round 3 would be huge. Locking in 7 quality players for 4/5 years on cheap rookie contracts  - no way you piss that away

 

Beane didnt trade a 2nd rd pick to move up to 12.   He took the best value available to him while unloading Glenn and his big contract - very different.

 

No.  He traded to 12 to be in a better position to move into top 5.  Nothing more, nothing less

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And because (as you point out) they are not guarantees you mitigate that risk by having more of them - not less.

 

No team in the last 15yrs has traded down more often than the Patriots  - they ignore the media myths of 'superstars' and know in the era of salary cap its about getting as many quality players on cheap (rookie deals) contracts as possible... that means multiple 2nd and 3rds over a single 1

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1 minute ago, jahbonas said:

And because (as you point out) they are not guarantees you mitigate that risk by having more of them - not less.

 

No team in the last 15yrs has traded down more often than the Patriots  - they ignore the media myths of 'superstars' and know in the era of salary cap its about getting as many quality players on cheap (rookie deals) contracts as possible... that means multiple 2nd and 3rds over a single 1

 

When you're set at the QB* position for nearly 2 decades with a first ballot HoF*, you can give up all your draft picks and still be ahead of the field.

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Big QB draft of 1983 - Miami had to settle with Marino at 28 rather than trading the farm to move up for Elway or Kelly.

 

Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers - the poor Steelers had to sit at 10 and take the leftover Big Ben  - Gee the Steelers hould have traded the 2 #1 and #2's to go up to get Eli?

 

In 2005 Green Bay should have traded multiple 1's to get up to #1 to take Alex Smith rather than sit and take Aaron Rogers

 

Give any QB quality line and coaching and things work out well - most 'busted' QBs are a result of that not happening

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3 minutes ago, jahbonas said:

Big QB draft of 1983 - Miami had to settle with Marino at 28 rather than trading the farm to move up for Elway or Kelly.

 

Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers - the poor Steelers had to sit at 10 and take the leftover Big Ben  - Gee the Steelers hould have traded the 2 #1 and #2's to go up to get Eli?

 

In 2005 Green Bay should have traded multiple 1's to get up to #1 to take Alex Smith rather than sit and take Aaron Rogers

 

Give any QB quality line and coaching and things work out well - most 'busted' QBs are a result of that not happening

 

Sure, use outlier cases to make your point.  That always works.

 

Let me ask you this.  Should Tom Donahoe have tried harder to trade into #7 spot to draft Ben R when he couldn't strike a deal with Jags or Texans?

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6 minutes ago, jahbonas said:

Big QB draft of 1983 - Miami had to settle with Marino at 28 rather than trading the farm to move up for Elway or Kelly.

 

Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers - the poor Steelers had to sit at 10 and take the leftover Big Ben  - Gee the Steelers hould have traded the 2 #1 and #2's to go up to get Eli?

 

In 2005 Green Bay should have traded multiple 1's to get up to #1 to take Alex Smith rather than sit and take Aaron Rogers

 

Give any QB quality line and coaching and things work out well - most 'busted' QBs are a result of that not happening

The Eli/Rivers/Ben draft, The team that got the leftovers was the Bills with JP

 

Big difference in the fortunes of those franchises huh?

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Myth is it SHOWS/PROVES that he wants to move up for a qb - thats not true - it only proved he wanted the best value for Glenn

 

If Beane had traded a #2  to move up to 12 - then yes that would have shown/proven he wanted to get in better position.  But he didnt trade a 2nd rd pick to move up

 

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i can't believe that with years of uncertainty at the qb position, some people are scared to aggressively go after one.  i understand there is no guarantee that trading up will mean a star is taken, but if the bills have a guy they've identified as, "their guy" i hope they do all they can to get him.  enough is enough here.

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3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Sure, use outlier cases to make your point.  That always works.

 

Let me ask you this.  Should Tom Donahoe have tried harder to trade into #7 spot to draft Ben R when he couldn't strike a deal with Jags or Texans?

 

Yes he should have - he should not have traded up to 1 or 2 and sell the farm in doing so  - a slight move up for a player makes sense and doesnt give away the farm

 

What he shouldnt have done is trade away following year's number 1 to get his qb - Losman.

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