TheBrownBear Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 No, and I'm a UCLA fan and like Rosen. He COULD become a hall of fame franchise QB type, but he's no sure thing. I'm okay with moving up to #6 and giving away less to grab a QB we want, but we have too many holes to sell the farm for Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said: No, and I'm a UCLA fan and like Rosen. He COULD become a hall of fame franchise QB type, but he's no sure thing. I'm okay with moving up to #6 and giving away less to grab a QB we want, but we have too many holes to sell the farm for Rosen. Enough of the too many holes spiel. The rebuild of the team goes beyond the 2018 offseason with $100M in cap room next year. Get the QB you covet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I like that the OP think we still won’t have an extra pick in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th? Come again? Where did I say we wouldn't still have a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I would easily you need a starting qb not a just get by qb Where have you been for the last 17 years???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I would and I hate Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 10 hours ago, Luka said: The whole premise of this thread is idiotic. No way to know if those players would be available at those picks. None of them have any more or less chance of being successful than Rosen. The draft is a crap shoot. With all the draft capital we have, this is the year to roll the dice. The question you ask is how many needs do I have, am I better off with 5-6 players and see if 2-3 stick or taking a chance 1 player is a Franchise guy for 10-15 years. Right now, Bills still have too many needs and no money left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) If Rudolph is so awesome, maybe the Giants or Jets will just draft him. 13 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: The question you ask is how many needs do I have, am I better off with 5-6 players and see if 2-3 stick or taking a chance 1 player is a Franchise guy for 10-15 years. Right now, Bills still have too many needs and no money left. And if we are relying on 6 rookies to "fill holes" we are going to suck anyway, may as well have the QB. Edited March 24, 2018 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Enough of the too many holes spiel. The rebuild of the team goes beyond the 2018 offseason with $100M in cap room next year. Get the QB you covet. Cap room with signings now is about $65 mil and we haven't signed picks yet. Next year Kyle will be gone, $15+ has to go for a DT, OG will be open so that will be 8-10Mil to fill. Raises and/or bonuses and that money gets eaten fast. But this is not a rebuild team this year or McCoy and/or Clay would be gone. McDermont wants to win and tooled up his defense. all he needs is a MLB and he is off to the races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Just now, USABuffaloFan said: Cap room with signings now is about $65 mil and we haven't signed picks yet. Next year Kyle will be gone, $15+ has to go for a DT, OG will be open so that will be 8-10Mil to fill. Raises and/or bonuses and that money gets eaten fast. But this is not a rebuild team this year or McCoy and/or Clay would be gone. McDermont wants to win and tooled up his defense. all he needs is a MLB and he is off to the races. Yeah sure. MLB is the key to being a contender on a year to year basis. Keep telling yourself that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: If Rudolph is so awesome, maybe the Giants or Jets will just draft him. And if we are relying on 6 rookies to "fill holes" we are going to suck anyway, may as well have the QB. Some of those needs are backups, but we do need a starting MLB and Speed WR. Where are you seeing 6 starters needed on this team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Some of those needs are backups, but we do need a starting MLB and Speed WR. Where are you seeing 6 starters needed on this team? So you think a franchise QB isn't worth giving up some backups, a fast WR and a MLB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yeah sure. MLB is the key to being a contender on a year to year basis. Keep telling yourself that. In McDermotts system it is, why they let Brown walk (led league in Tackles), we couldn't stop the run. Have you heard of Luke Kuechly? Edited March 24, 2018 by USABuffaloFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Just now, USABuffaloFan said: In McDermotts system it is, why they let Brown walk (led league in Tackles), we couldn't stop the run. Have you heard of Luke Kuechly? You ever heard of Cam Newton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: The question you ask is how many needs do I have, am I better off with 5-6 players and see if 2-3 stick or taking a chance 1 player is a Franchise guy for 10-15 years. Right now, Bills still have too many needs and no money left. Biggest need being a QB. With a real QB we don't back into the playoffs because we would have beat the Panthers. And we could have easily beat the Jags in the first round with a couple extra completions. The rest of the roster was patchwork and we were right there. Last year we were supposed to tank so I'm not buying the 5-6 holes crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: So you think a franchise QB isn't worth giving up some backups, a fast WR and a MLB? Will you risk your reputation on this board that whoever we draft will be that guy for 10-15 years? You sure are acting like you know this happens drafting a QB in top 5 for sure. I can give you the stats all again but you won't listen anyway. We won't get 1st pick and Darnold who stands the best chance. Only 2 drafts were 3 or more 1st pick QB's became franchise guys. The odds are very good 2-5 picked QB's fail unless this is a generational draft. We barely have a consensus QB for 1st. Rosen has question marks, concussions and winning record. Allen is far from polished and Baker has size and character issues. Where are you seeing a sure fit for Bills in the top 10 worth the risk? 4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: I would easily you need a starting qb not a just get by qb Where have you been for the last 17 years???????????? The Bills problems are because they passed up QB's and picked 2 bad ones in the 1st round. They didn't take it serious enough. No One is saying don't grab one with one of our 1st picks. Even moving to 6-9 might make sense, cost will be more reasonable. If you wanted a top 10 QB we needed to flop last year and not end our drought. The choice was McDermotts, he is choosing to win. Buffalo won't get #2 pick, doubt unless they over pay they get 4 or 5. they leaves 6 which Indy is on record to willing to move down but they want allot of picks to help Luck along. Sorry, everyone wants something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Will you risk your reputation on this board that whoever we draft will be that guy for 10-15 years? You sure are acting like you know this happens drafting a QB in top 5 for sure. I can give you the stats all again but you won't listen anyway. We won't get 1st pick and Darnold who stands the best chance. Only 2 drafts were 3 or more 1st pick QB's became franchise guys. The odds are very good 2-5 picked QB's fail unless this is a generational draft. We barely have a consensus QB for 1st. Rosen has question marks, concussions and winning record. Allen is far from polished and Baker has size and character issues. Where are you seeing a sure fit for Bills in the top 10 worth the risk? Reputation on the board? Who cares? If someone has something interesting to say, what does it matter if they have 10,000 posts or 4? I like Rosen. I don't think we've had anywhere near the caliber of him since Kelly. Could one hit knock him out? Sure, but ask Ryan Shazier what one hit can do. If you want to break down stats, tell me the breakdown of pro bowlers / starters / busts between picks 12 - 65. Tell me the hit rate for QBs drafted then. Staying put means it's more likely than not whoever we pick at QB (even Mason Rudolph) is going to bust and be a worthless pick, out of the other 4 picks in that range, we'd be lucky to end up with 1 pro bowler, 2 good starters, 1 bust. Lets not pretend like we are giving up hall of famers in a trade up. I've seen this team be very talented without a QB, we all know what happens, the talent on this roster now comes nowhere close to where it was 2-3 years ago, even then the team went nowhere with no QB. Personally I'm sick of trying to accept mediocrity, it doesn't matter if we draft 4 pro bowlers with the picks we keep, no QB means it's worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You ever heard of Cam Newton? CAM Newton was the 1st pick in the draft, last I checked we don't own that pick. Jackson is the closest to CAM and can be had at 22. Thanks for making my point. 9 minutes ago, Luka said: Biggest need being a QB. With a real QB we don't back into the playoffs because we would have beat the Panthers. And we could have easily beat the Jags in the first round with a couple extra completions. The rest of the roster was patchwork and we were right there. Last year we were supposed to tank so I'm not buying the 5-6 holes crap. Any QB we get in the draft sits behind McCarron next year. The only one who could start, Darnold, will be sitting behind Taylor. So exactly how is drafting a QB going to help you win next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: CAM Newton was the 1st pick in the draft, last I checked we don't own that pick. Jackson is the closest to CAM and can be had at 22. Thanks for making my point. Any QB we get in the draft sits behind McCarron next year. The only one who could start, Darnold, will be sitting behind Taylor. So exactly how is drafting a QB going to help you win next year? Incorrect. Rosen would start over McCarron and likely Mayfield as well. Edited March 24, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: CAM Newton was the 1st pick in the draft, last I checked we don't own that pick. Jackson is the closest to CAM and can be had at 22. Thanks for making my point. Any QB we get in the draft sits behind McCarron next year. The only one who could start, Darnold, will be sitting behind Taylor. So exactly how is drafting a QB going to help you win next year? You are simply pretending you can see the future. You can't. You don't know that a rookie doesn't beat out McCarron. McCarron could be terrible. All 6 picks you draft instead of trading up for a top QB could be out of the league in 3 years. I doubt McCarron beats out Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen. But finding a QB is top priority and you aren't doing that at 12. Edited March 24, 2018 by Luka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Reputation on the board? Who cares? If someone has something interesting to say, what does it matter if they have 10,000 posts or 4? I like Rosen. I don't think we've had anywhere near the caliber of him since Kelly. Could one hit knock him out? Sure, but ask Ryan Shazier what one hit can do. If you want to break down stats, tell me the breakdown of pro bowlers / starters / busts between picks 12 - 65. Tell me the hit rate for QBs drafted then. Staying put means it's more likely than not whoever we pick at QB (even Mason Rudolph) is going to bust and be a worthless pick, out of the other 4 picks in that range, we'd be lucky to end up with 1 pro bowler, 2 good starters, 1 bust. Lets not pretend like we are giving up hall of famers in a trade up. I've seen this team be very talented without a QB, we all know what happens, the talent on this roster now comes nowhere close to where it was 2-3 years ago, even then the team went nowhere with no QB. Personally I'm sick of trying to accept mediocrity, it doesn't matter if we draft 4 pro bowlers with the picks we keep, no QB means it's worthless. Guess this is were we differ on whether Bills have a QB. I think a 2 time Champion for Alabama could lead Bills better than Taylor could, he can throw and has proven that in 4 games and 4 training camps. Second, we have a decent backup. We have 9 picks and if you truly are worried about QB still we could draft 2-3 of them and still get LMB and WR. I would rather take a shot with Rudolph, Falk and Lautta and see who emerges. You can put one of them on Practice squad. My question is how are you getting Rosen, he won't make it past the Jets? Two, the cost will leave you know way to get a starting MLB, no one is available that is worth to start. Are you planning on starting Rosen if you get him? More questions on getting him than the path I select. If the Bills want Rudolph bad enough he will be there at 12 and Evans at 22 or Leighton Vander Esch. You won't have 12, 22 or next years 1st to get Rosen plus 2 more picks in top 100. 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Incorrect. Rosen would start over McCarron and likely Mayfield as well. Your going off college production, McCarron was 36-4 with 2 Championships. In 2015 Dalton went down hurt and McCarron started 3 games and went 2-1 then went to the playoffs. He lost the game due to defense, almost won. Rosen had 2 concussions last year, what makes you think McDermott would risk throwing a rookie to the NFL he just paid all those picks to and chance losing him on a learning curve. Your not making any sense. I understand wanting a Franchise QB, the problem is too many fans are forcing it without even a path to getting it done. Bills have nothing to dictate here and everything to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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