26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: Couple of thoughts here.....first of all....watching this board IN GENERAL go from being excited about the FA and Draft eligible QB's, and then trading up to 12 to get more ammo for an attempt at a further move up the board....to watching as this board IN GENERAL, fell real concern about the Jets trading up to 3 (legit concern) ......to analyzing the press conference where the GM is clearly trying to temper expectations....to now, where many (not all) of you are now trying to talk yourself into thinking AJ is about to be the next great QB who just needed a shot, ala Brady. I guess you can always hope. I very much sympathize with your plight....went through 3 decades of similar bull mess in KC.....by choice. ....always signing some other teams castoff because he had "developed" already with them...he was ready to go now...we had not wasted our time and draft picks developing them, we let the 49ers do that for us (Montana, Bono, Grbac, Smith) ....anyhow, I used to participate in these very same types of conversations. I used to be the guy who thought you could win with just some guy at QB, and build a strong roster around him....hell KC has been the 1 seed in the AFC doing just this very thing. I used to make a passionate argument that Tyler Thigpen would lead the Chiefs to glory! I lost a 50 dollar bet back in 2012 or so when I was sure Thigpen would be the starting QB the next time the Chiefs won a playoff game. After I lost that bet (what a stupid bet!) I began to re evaluate my thoughts about all this. Keep in mind too, that KC has a LONG history of having some of the NFL's best RB over this same period of time. Okoye, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Jamal Charles and now Kareem Hunt.....and here is a list of the QB who beat us every playoffs. Marino twice, JIM KELLY twice, Manning twice, Luck, Brady, Elway, Harbaugh, Mariotta, Flacco, and Stan Humphries. That list has 6 hall of famers in it, for a total of 9 playoff wins against us. Flacco isn't going to the hall of fame, but he beat us on his way to a super bowl win. .....I watched every one of those games....and in ALL OF THEM, the Chiefs had the better, deeper roster than every damn team we lost to. We were lacking at ONE SPOT. I watched Matt Cassel be propped up by the fans, the media, the staff and front office. Todd Haley basically was fired by Scott Pioli because Haley had seen enough of Matt Cassel and Pioli was never going to admit Cassel was someone we needed to move on from. Anyhow....I know what this is like...to be a fan of a team that for whatever reason is stuck at QB....This is what it looks like...the fans don't want to admit the obvious, they don't want to start a season with no hope...after all what is a new season, with training camp and a 0-0 record if not Hope? As Red told Andy...hope is a dangerous thing.....when you don't have a QB. That's exactly the quote too..it's just hard to hear that last part in the movie. The Jets' trade on Saturday most certainly changed the mood on TSW. It started the Foles talk up all over again and now we have people incredulously expecting a long shot in AJ McCarron to be the guy. The 2018 draft remains the best hope of solving the long standing QB void that has plagued the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 15 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: He was in Saban’s pro-style offense. He played well in big games, won two national championships. Is used to taking snaps under center. Has a 66.9% accuracy percentage which is better than every other QB prospect in this year’s draft besides Mayfield. He has now had a couple of years to sit behind Andy Dalton, a solid NFL QB, and acclimate to the NFL, and has looked good in spot duty when Dalton was out. I think going up to pick 2 is going to take all of our draft capital. I’d rather give McCarron an honest chance to be our QB. Surround him with talent from this year’s draft and let’s see what the kid can do. Accuracy percentages 2017 Mayfield. 70.1% Rosen 62.6% Darnold 63.1% Allen 56.3% Jackson 59.1% McCarron career 66.9% I still can't figure out why some people are all in for any of these kids. What have any of them done in the NFL that AJ hasn't done? Oh that's right nothing because they have no NFL experience. AJ is older and has been on an NFL roster and has seen some playing time. Either way your going with an unknown at QB, mine as well be one that didn't cost us an entire draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 McCarron will be given a shot ot compete and win.. He will not be handed the keys without a competition IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: McCarron will be given a shot ot compete and win.. He will not be handed the keys without a competition IMO He should be more than happy with a chance to prove himself. Edited March 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: he should be more than happy with a chance to prove himself. I agree and I beleive he said so himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The 2018 draft remains the best hope of solving the long standing QB void that has plagued the franchise. Not any more it doesn't. The Jets REALLY screwed us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Not any more it doesn't. The Jets REALLY screwed us. I would not go that far at all. We don't get to move up as easily, but were' not DOA by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I would not go that far at all. We don't get to move up as easily, but were' not DOA by a long shot. They're not getting to two, barring a miracle. By 3, the top 3 QB will be gone. By 5, 4 of them will be gone leaving Lamar Jackson (AIDS) and Mason Rudolph (cancer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, joesixpack said: They're not getting to two, barring a miracle. By 3, the top 3 QB will be gone. By 5, 4 of them will be gone leaving Lamar Jackson (AIDS) and Mason Rudolph (cancer). It is what it is and I will never devolve into that person who wallows in negativity when it comes to any forms of entertainment FACT IS... These QB's pretty much grade out the same with very very little seperating the top 10. We all have our favorites and whom we would want at the top but the fact is they all have warts and short comings... DO you want to overpay for a QB that is rated very similarly to the rest or do you want ot make that desperate move upward, pay a kigs ransom, for a QB you don't think is much better than the rest but just want to show the fans how desperate you are so they will stop whining. Beane There is still a chance the Bills wil move up.. they will have to pay very similiar amount it would have taken to out bid the Jets for 3 IMO, and I don't think that is worth 3 21st rd picks a 2nd and change, but if Beane does then he'll make the move Edited March 19, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloTX Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 15 hours ago, bobobonators said: He’s 27yrs old and has been in the league how many years now? I feel like ive heard this before with another player we had. Hmmm Yeah but this time it's a QB and not a RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 16 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: He was in Saban’s pro-style offense. He played well in big games, won two national championships. Is used to taking snaps under center. Has a 66.9% accuracy percentage which is better than every other QB prospect in this year’s draft besides Mayfield. He has now had a couple of years to sit behind Andy Dalton, a solid NFL QB, and acclimate to the NFL, and has looked good in spot duty when Dalton was out. I think going up to pick 2 is going to take all of our draft capital. I’d rather give McCarron an honest chance to be our QB. Surround him with talent from this year’s draft and let’s see what the kid can do. Accuracy percentages 2017 Mayfield. 70.1% Rosen 62.6% Darnold 63.1% Allen 56.3% Jackson 59.1% McCarron career 66.9% Wtf are you ta long about? Give him a chance? He is basically our starter right now ?? I don't get the give him a chance thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 11 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Forget Brady, Kelly, or anyone else. What are your expectations for McCarron? At first the expectations are modest. We could go through scenarios of what if the Bills draft Chark and so forth but will not do that because those points can lead in more than one direction. Anyways, for the first half of the season I am thinking around 230-250 yards per game with at least one and on occasion two TD's per game. Maintain a completion rate similar to his four game block in Cincy. Then maybe grow into the second half of the season where he is at least 250 yards if not more per game and 2 TD's per game. Not that he could not handle more but I think on average he will get 35-40 pass attempts per game towards the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, RochesterRob said: At first the expectations are modest. We could go through scenarios of what if the Bills draft Chark and so forth but will not do that because those points can lead in more than one direction. Anyways, for the first half of the season I am thinking around 230-250 yards per game with at least one and on occasion two TD's per game. Maintain a completion rate similar to his four game block in Cincy. Then maybe grow into the second half of the season where he is at least 250 yards if not more per game and 2 TD's per game. Not that he could not handle more but I think on average he will get 35-40 pass attempts per game towards the end of the season. With the current personnel on hand, I find this to be overly optimistic when he didn't put up those numbers with the Bengals with better receiving talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Not any more it doesn't. The Jets REALLY screwed us. I heard that The Jets REALLY screwed us. Is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: I heard that The Jets REALLY screwed us. Is that true? Yep, square in the backside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: With the current personnel on hand, I find this to be overly optimistic when he didn't put up those numbers with the Bengals with better receiving talent. His numbers far exceed the guy he's replacing. And that in and of itself is good enough!! I want to hear the 26 take on how Jimmy G has proven himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: McCarron will be given a shot ot compete and win.. He will not be handed the keys without a competition IMO And I think that he will be pulled if through the first several games the light does not come on for him. There will be a rookie QB but I don't think he will be taken until the second round. The talent at other positions is far superior to ignore in the first and early second round. 2 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said: MMQB article this AM .. indicates there from a GM . there are 70 starter ready players in this draft ... so imagine if we hit .. 5 new starters in our draft ... LB, OL,RB, WR, DT (not necessarily in that order), .. plus McCarron, Star, Vontae, and Trent .. that's 9 starters added to last year's playoff team ... I'll take that. This article needs its own thread so it can be discussed at length. Edited March 19, 2018 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: With the current personnel on hand, I find this to be overly optimistic when he didn't put up those numbers with the Bengals with better receiving talent. I disagree. Benjamin when healthy will contribute. Jones hopefully had his growing pains early. If we don't mortgage the farm we can can get someone such as Chark or Kirk early to help. Maybe Clay will be healthy for most of the season. The fact is McC is here and under contract. That is not changing. What can change is how we use our picks. The draft has a fair amount of potential in the first two rounds which means at present we have a decent chance of finding four quality players and we sure could use them versus one big IF at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, RochesterRob said: I disagree. Benjamin when healthy will contribute. Jones hopefully had his growing pains early. If we don't mortgage the farm we can can get someone such as Chark or Kirk early to help. Maybe Clay will be healthy for most of the season. The fact is McC is here and under contract. That is not changing. What can change is how we use our picks. The draft has a fair amount of potential in the first two rounds which means at present we have a decent chance of finding four quality players and we sure could use them versus one big IF at QB. You can disagree all you like, but the Bills' 2018 receiving corps will not come close to matching the talent level of AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, and Tyler Eifert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 16 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: He was in Saban’s pro-style offense. He played well in big games, won two national championships. Is used to taking snaps under center. Has a 66.9% accuracy percentage which is better than every other QB prospect in this year’s draft besides Mayfield. He has now had a couple of years to sit behind Andy Dalton, a solid NFL QB, and acclimate to the NFL, and has looked good in spot duty when Dalton was out. I think going up to pick 2 is going to take all of our draft capital. I’d rather give McCarron an honest chance to be our QB. Surround him with talent from this year’s draft and let’s see what the kid can do. Accuracy percentages 2017 Mayfield. 70.1% Rosen 62.6% Darnold 63.1% Allen 56.3% Jackson 59.1% McCarron career 66.9% It looks like we just might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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