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35 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Like I have already said, good thread Hapless.

 

On the lighter side,  Sanchez is a FA and can be got for less the 2 million!

I got to ask people, how did that Sanchez trade turn out?

 

Moral of the story................drafting QBs is a gamble.

 

2 AFC championship games... Could be argued it was worth it. And two Championship games with Rex Ryan as coach might as well be 5 superbowls. 

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5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is exactly my question - and asking for examples!  And I'm seeing lots of talk-talk-chatter but the only concrete example given has been a late-round pick for a player.

 

Good call.  Yes, he was, but it was for a 4th round pick.  From Wiki on Randy Moss, and yes he was required to pass a physical:
During the first day of the NFL Draft, the Patriots and Raiders discussed the trade several times before reaching an agreement. Bill Belichick spoke with Moss for the first time about the possibility of joining the Patriots at 2:30am Sunday morning.[49] Moss then boarded a plane and arrived in Boston later that morning on April 29 and was required to pass a team administered physical. Once he was cleared by Patriots officials, a trade was completed that sent Randy Moss to New England in exchange for a fourth-round selection in the 2007 NFL Draft. The draft pick had been acquired by the Patriots the previous day from the San Francisco 49ers, and the Raiders selected John Bowie.[46]

 

I don't see how that could be worked out during the 1st round.

 

 

Um, Yes?  That's SOP for a trade.

 

 

That's one of the OP questions: exactly what Draft Day player trades do you recall?  So far I have examples of a trade for a late-round pick, and a trade that was discussed on Day 1 and involved the player flying in for a physical Day 2 before it was finalized for Day 3 (4th round). 

 

In horse trading, the SOP is that the horse buyer wants to look at the horse for himself.  I'm trading a valuable pick for a package including the player, Like Hell am I interested in medical records the trading team chooses to send me.  I want the player so my own employees, who (ought to) have some skin in the game of whether or not the player is fit, can have a look at him. 

 

I think there might be issues of medical confidentiality involved as well.  I don't think teams get to randomly throw players medical records around the league to other teams without the player's knowledge and consent, and if Glenn knew and consented, his agent knows and it would have likely come out by now.

 

There was 5 players involved in the Herschel Walker draft day trade. 

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3 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

This goes back a few years but in 1993 the Phoenix Cardinals traded the 4th pick in the draft and RB Johnny Johnson to  the Jets for the 3rd pick in the draft. Cardinals selected RB Garrison Hearst, Jets took LB Marvin Jones.

 

Wow!  I'm impressed you could find or recall that.....

....now that it's recalled to mind I do wonder what that was all about anyway?

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8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Wow!  I'm impressed you could find or recall that.....

....now that it's recalled to mind I do wonder what that was all about anyway?

 

I remembered it was Johnny Johnson but had to look up the picks and drafted players. Cardinals wanted Garrison Hearst and the Jets wanted Marvin Jones. I guess by including JJ the Jets knew the Cardinals wouldn't steal Jones. So they got their guy and a starting RB. As I recall JJ was pretty good with the Cardinals but didn't do much with the Jets.

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20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Right, so let's say we say "Cordy Glenn, or a 2018 1st".  Wouldn't the receiving team be all like "look, if you're willing to offer us a 1st how about you just do that deal instead?"  Or alternatively, it kind of leaves us in limbo because they can throw Glenn and his salary back at us and take our pick at their option. 

 

I would think that would be a bad deal for us, from a salary cap and draft capital management position.

 

The real issue it is that we aren’t going to get that much for Glenn on draft day.  We could probably get it from a desperate contender who has an injury at LT after the season starts.  That’s the time for premiums to be paid.  But not on draft day.  He’d go at a discount.  I do like that you’re trying to find a way to get a QB though.  I’d certainly sell out for one I believed in.  I just don’t see how the Bills can climb up to the top of this draft.  They’ll have to find another way to get one. 

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1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

The real issue it is that we aren’t going to get that much for Glenn on draft day.  We could probably get it from a desperate contender who has an injury at LT after the season starts.  That’s the time for premiums to be paid. 

 

Despite all the draft day proposals people float, we aren't going to get ANYTHING for Glenn on draft day.  Not for a guy who ended the season on IR and had surgery.  Teams are going to want a chance to bring him in and have their team physicians count his legs for themselves.  It only makes sense.

 

I also think it's chancy we get a decent in-season premium at Glenn's salary, though I agree that's the season, and his value will go up as soon as he shows back in form. But few teams have $9M in cap lying about.  They make that kind of room for a QB.  For an LT, they move players around for a while, play their backup, and hit the waiver wire.

 

For Glenn, the best chance would come for a pre-draft trade for a pick or as part of a pick swap.  Then package more picks on draft day.  There are a lot of teams with good QB and Kmart OLs as well as other holes.

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6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Despite all the draft day proposals people float, we aren't going to get ANYTHING for Glenn on draft day.  Not for a guy who ended the season on IR and had surgery.  Teams are going to want a chance to bring him in and have their team physicians count his legs for themselves.  It only makes sense.

 

I also think it's chancy we get a decent in-season premium at Glenn's salary, though I agree that's the season, and his value will go up as soon as he shows back in form. But few teams have $9M in cap lying about.  They make that kind of room for a QB.  For an LT, they move players around for a while, play their backup, and hit the waiver wire.

 

For Glenn, the best chance would come for a pre-draft trade for a pick or as part of a pick swap.  Then package more picks on draft day.  There are a lot of teams with good QB and Kmart OLs as well as other holes.

 

But he wont be a 9M cap hit after trade. 

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On 2/17/2018 at 10:58 AM, BarleyNY said:

Usually there’s an alternate compensation agreed upon should a traded player fail a physical. Player X or draft pick Y.  IIRC Chip Banks was originally included in the trade that netted the Browns Bernie Kosar in the supplemental draft.  He refused to report to San Diego and they got a first round pick instead. 

Beat me to it. But this is what I think would happen.

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