GunnerBill Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, K-9 said: It’s not the lack of pro style offenses these college QBs run so much as it’s the lack of variety in the defenses they see on a week to week basis that makes them utterly incapable of readily being able to recognize and beat the array of pro defenses they see in the NFL. When a spread QB sees little more than quarters coverage every week, he’s just not gonna hit the ground running in the pro. And that’s before taking into considersation the sheer superiority of the athletes on the defenses they face in the NFL. Yea agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: From what I've seen, I concur. Prescott seems to need a great run game to build off of. So if it's not imposing by needing too much answer, what would you look for as a scout as clues that an "air raid" offense QB might transition readily to the pros as Goff (or Prescott) seem to have done? I would look for poise in the pocket... ball placement ability to make throws while being hit ability to break down defensive coverages smart decision maker... and it's still a gamble if they pick up the NFL game Edited January 28, 2018 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I think this is a pretty fair evaluation of Rudolph. He should be picked somewhere between 20-64. I think his ceiling is Kirk Cousins and his floor is Chad Henne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 If I have a concern about Rudolph it is his arm strength. Would have liked to see him compete at Senior Bowl to see how the arm measures up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, racketmaster said: If I have a concern about Rudolph it is his arm strength. Would have liked to see him compete at Senior Bowl to see how the arm measures up. Hopefully he will be able to participate at the combine and pro day. I think he will be there when the Bill's pick. Drafttek has him rated the #2 QB though https://www.drafttek.com/2018-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-QBs.asp Edited January 28, 2018 by ALF link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 hours ago, racketmaster said: If I have a concern about Rudolph it is his arm strength. Would have liked to see him compete at Senior Bowl to see how the arm measures up. There usually aren't many 6'4 230 lb QBs that have weak arms but he definitely doesn't have a howitzer I think it's good enough and it can get stronger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 The college QB who comes from a pro type offense where the QB is expected to run through a series of checkdowns if receivers aren't open is an exception these days. Teams have to make some educated guesses in many cases about whether or not a particular QB can transition to the NFL. Sometimes they hit it, sometimes not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: There usually aren't many 6'4 230 lb QBs that have weak arms but he definitely doesn't have a howitzer I think it's good enough and it can get stronger Watch his first throw in the Texas game this year. It is an out route to Washington on the wide side of the field. There is a lot of air under the ball and it ends up barely reaching his wr. There is a lot to like about Rudolph but throws like this make me question what his upside is in the NFL. The combine and pro day will tell us more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, racketmaster said: Watch his first throw in the Texas game this year. It is an out route to Washington on the wide side of the field. There is a lot of air under the ball and it ends up barely reaching his wr. There is a lot to like about Rudolph but throws like this make me question what his upside is in the NFL. The combine and pro day will tell us more. I've seen that game and he has lofted some deep outs in his career He definitely can work on his arm strength 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Buffalo716 - another very good write up. I expect Rudolph to go in the first round. Solid guy, needs some work but there is something to work with. Short of trading down I think he may very well be the top QB still on the board at 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 8:56 PM, Buffalo716 said: I've seen that game and he has lofted some deep outs in his career He definitely can work on his arm strength But but QBs can't lift weights it will ruin their throwing motions!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 1:43 PM, Buffalo716 said: There usually aren't many 6'4 230 lb QBs that have weak arms but he definitely doesn't have a howitzer I think it's good enough and it can get stronger Some say QBs can't work on arm strength, how do they train for arm strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 45 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Some say QBs can't work on arm strength, how do they train for arm strength? Ive never really met many QB Gurus who didn't believe in weight / strength training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Ive never really met many QB Gurus who didn't believe in weight / strength training Yeah pretty much, I always get a kick out of guys (on this Board) who claim that lifting is bad for QBs. I always thought the tricep pullover would be a good exercise for QBs as this mimics the throwing motion. Edited January 31, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yeah pretty much, I always get a kick out of guys (on this Board) who claim that lifting is bad for QBs. I always thought the tricep pullover would be a good exercise for QBs as this mimics the throwing motion. Brady clearly was a workout warrior his whole career because he went from a 190lb skinny rookie... to a full grown 230lb man you know today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Brady clearly was a workout warrior his whole career because he went from a 190lb skinny rookie... to a full grown 230lb man you know today Definitely. Have you read his TB 12 book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Definitely. Have you read his TB 12 book? No I have not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: No I have not One of these days I plan on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 1:30 AM, Buffalo716 said: Ive never really met many QB Gurus who didn't believe in weight / strength training If you look at photos of some top QBs it's hard to believe they and the weight room aren't fairly well acquainted On 1/31/2018 at 8:38 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said: One of these days I plan on it. Only if the library has it, I hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 7:38 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said: One of these days I plan on it. Can't imagine wanting to read it. If he was just trying to make money off book sales by writing an excellent book describing his philosophy and routines, I would read it. As much as I despise the guy, what he's doing IS pretty incredible. But the whole book is about selling his products. Everything in it is going to have that slant and it would be impossible to separate reality from sales strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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