GoBills808 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 What will erasing the 2015 bill accomplish?
/dev/null Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 On 11/22/2017 at 10:01 PM, GoBills808 said: What will erasing the 2015 bill accomplish? Expand What did the 2015 accomplish?
GoBills808 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 On 11/22/2017 at 10:32 PM, /dev/null said: What did the 2015 accomplish? Expand I thought it prevented ISPs from dictating or hindering individuals' internet accessibility re: variable rates and content management...no?
B-Man Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Quote Bill de Blasio✔@NYCMayor Just a few thoughts on #NetNeutrality – first of all, access to a free and open internet is a fundamental right of every citizen. (1/4) 3:46 PM - Nov 22, 2017 Expand
Azalin Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 On 11/22/2017 at 10:01 PM, GoBills808 said: What will erasing the 2015 bill accomplish? Expand Bill? I don't remember any bill. I do remember a proclamation of takeover by the former head of the FCC.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Oh, so we are going to be liberated by Trump?
GoBills808 Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/22/2017 at 11:25 PM, Azalin said: Bill? I don't remember any bill. I do remember a proclamation of takeover by the former head of the FCC. Expand I guess I don't remember a bill...but didn't they basically enforce net neutrality by reclassifying ISPs under a couple different acts?
GG Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 12:04 AM, GoBills808 said: I guess I don't remember a bill...but didn't they basically enforce net neutrality by reclassifying ISPs under a couple different acts? Expand Yes, because regulating the Internet like a 1930 telecom monopoly makes a lot of sense to an administration that made fun of people who apparently didn't believe in science and progress.
GoBills808 Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 12:14 AM, GG said: Yes, because regulating the Internet like a 1930 telecom monopoly makes a lot of sense to an administration that made fun of people who apparently didn't believe in science and progress. Expand I thought that was just a technicality. I mean that's how a lot of new law is made, by referring/classifying really old statutes that have since been expanded and refined to incorporate the changing landscape.
GG Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 12:18 AM, GoBills808 said: I thought that was just a technicality. I mean that's how a lot of new law is made, by referring/classifying really old statutes that have since been expanded and refined to incorporate the changing landscape. Expand Nope, this was not a new law. The only way that Obama/Wheeler could get away with their gambit was to use the exact terms of the 1930's regulations.
GoBills808 Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 12:23 AM, GG said: Nope, this was not a new law. The only way that Obama/Wheeler could get away with their gambit was to use the exact terms of the 1930's regulations. Expand Was this the ruling? https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf Granted I only have a cursory understanding of the issue, but I glanced through it and it's very specific in describing prescriptive actions (usually they punt to case-by-case basis but still) for the kinds of issues I assume net neutrality seeks to address...it appears that 'edge providers' like Netflix that send huge amounts of data through ISP channels were straining data capacities?
GG Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 12:35 AM, GoBills808 said: Was this the ruling? https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf Granted I only have a cursory understanding of the issue, but I glanced through it and it's very specific in describing prescriptive actions (usually they punt to case-by-case basis but still) for the kinds of issues I assume net neutrality seeks to address...it appears that 'edge providers' like Netflix that send huge amounts of data through ISP channels were straining data capacities? Expand This is the official ruling in the Fed Register. But your link also lays out the ridiculous assertion by Netflix & Google. They are taking a disproportionate share of Internet traffic, but want others to pay for that transit.
GoBills808 Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 12:41 AM, GG said: This is the official ruling in the Fed Register. But your link also lays out the ridiculous assertion by Netflix & Google. They are taking a disproportionate share of Internet traffic, but want others to pay for that transit. Expand So what did reclassifying ISPs do to address the payment-to-usage problem? And what's the law on who pays for it anyway? Is it just the responsibility of the ISP to keep increasing server capacity (or whatever) or are they allowed to charge Netflix by usage?
GG Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 12:45 AM, GoBills808 said: So what did reclassifying ISPs do to address the payment-to-usage problem? And what's the law on who pays for it anyway? Is it just the responsibility of the ISP to keep increasing server capacity (or whatever) or are they allowed to charge Netflix by usage? Expand Plenty of discussion on this in the past. Do a search. But basically by reclassifying the ISPs as common carriers meant that they had to treat everyone the same and not prioritize services by fee or content. Sounds great to liberals, but breaks down in practice, because Netflix demands are much greater than Mario's corner pizza shop. So ISPs must upgrade their networks to transmit Netflix traffic, but can't charge Netflix more money for the transit. So if the ISPs can't charge Netflix for the usage, guess who gets to pay the bill at the end of the day? 1
GoBills808 Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 12:52 AM, GG said: Plenty of discussion on this in the past. Do a search. But basically by reclassifying the ISPs as common carriers meant that they had to treat everyone the same and not prioritize services by fee or content. Sounds great to liberals, but breaks down in practice, because Netflix demands are much greater than Mario's corner pizza shop. So ISPs must upgrade their networks to transmit Netflix traffic, but can't charge Netflix more money for the transit. So if the ISPs can't charge Netflix for the usage, guess who gets to pay the bill at the end of the day? Expand Will do, much appreciated!
DC Tom Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/22/2017 at 11:25 PM, Azalin said: Bill? I don't remember any bill. Expand "Trump's arbitrarily changing the law Obama arbitrarily created! Fascism!" Our upcoming civil war is going to be one of massive ignorance. 1
Doc Brown Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/22/2017 at 5:18 PM, Deranged Rhino said: You can usually get a good sense of what a Bill's true intent is by its name. Whatever the title of the bill is usually means the opposite: The Patriot Act = not at all patriotic. Affordable Care Act = not at all affordable Net Neutrality = not really neutral. Expand On 11/22/2017 at 6:29 PM, Tiberius said: Tax cut and jobs act = tax cut for the wealthy Expand How do you screw that up based on his premise? All you had to do was say the opposite... Tax Cuts and Jobs act = increase in taxes and a decline in jobs.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 1:31 AM, Doc Brown said: How do you screw that up based on his premise? All you had to do was say the opposite... Tax Cuts and Jobs act = increase in taxes and a decline in jobs. Expand Sometimes I just need to slow down
3rdnlng Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 1:33 AM, Tiberius said: Sometimes I just need to slow down Expand On the contrary. You've always been slow.
DC Tom Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 1:31 AM, Doc Brown said: How do you screw that up based on his premise? All you had to do was say the opposite... Tax Cuts and Jobs act = increase in taxes and a decline in jobs. Expand Same way he screws up everything else. He's an idiot.
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