To everyone who was so adamant that the Bills start Peterman

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Jacksonville has picked in the top 5 for about a decade. I don’t know how we can classify that tanking as working. They still don’t have a QB.

 

The Titans are in the same boat. They MAY have their franchise guy but it’s certainly debatable.

 

The Texans tanked when Watt went out for the season. He might have been the single best player in football at that point. They are good when healthy. They still haven’t won a thing though.

 

When did KC tank? When they drafted Eric Fisher 1st overall? That has nothing to do with why they are better. 

 

Panthers I agree with.

 

The Colts are the PERFECT example of why it’s tough to tank in football. They got a guy that most thought was the best prospect since Peyton. They haven’t won a damn thing and are pretty much a trash football team.

 

I would agree on the Lions too. It has benefitted them for sure. 

 

 

Jax picking high built the team that is carrying them right now to a probable postseason.  They are probably the most talented team in the league, position by position.  They got unlucky at QB but are a Cousins or Eli from a 12-4 SB run.

 

Titans went from worst in the league to 9-7.

 

Texans tanked back in 2013, Watt was healthy all year.  They got Clowney, who has come into his own as a dominant pass rusher and several other good players.

 

Between 2010 and 2013, KC drafted:

 

Eric Berry #5

Justin Houston

Dontari Poe

Travis Kelce

 

Some REALLY good players who contributed a lot to their playoff years.

 

Colts got unlucky.  They did it right and it almost worked.  Sometimes you get screwed. It happens.

 

 

[Ga boy]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We had people banging the drum to start EJ for 2 years and now Peterman. Anyone that believes either of those is a better option is an idiot. I’m sorry but you are. That doesn’t mean we can’t upgrade from Tyrod, but those guys are way worse. 

 

What do you think the Bills record would be if they had started EJ and Peterman since the start of 2015? My guess is that they would have beaten the Dolphins twice and the Colts in 2015, the Cardinals, Patriots, Rams, 49ers and Browns last year and the Jets and Raiders this year. That would have them at 10-33 over that span. That’s a .233 win percentage. Tyrod has a .538 win percentage in a Bills uniform with the same guys. 

 

Again, upgrading this offseason is something that we are all fine with. Pretending that he is as bad as EJ or Peterman is ridiculous. Let’s stop using those two interchangeably.

Hey, I agree that TT is the GOAT at .538 win %.  The long-term best plan is to see what NP can do.  With TT this year, we'll probably miss the playoffs with 8-8 or 9-7, then he's gone, and we're back to square one.  However, it would be great to make the playoffs, but we're getting short-term gratification at the expense of building a champion. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 11/30/2017 at 9:07 PM, reddogblitz said:

 

I really don't care about some goofy QB ranking.  Give me the Ws.

 

 

Not to mention as well that same dopey ranking has Aaron Rodgers somehow ranked 17th before his injury. 

 

And for those comparing the Giants situation to ours all I can say is really? One team is battling for a top three pick. The other is battling for the 5th or 6th seed in the playoffs still. Heck, they win tomorrow they are still battling for the division.  There is no comparison.

[BringBackOrton]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Another awful, awful take by jmc.

 

Jax tanked for 5 straight years and got Blake Bortles and now their salary cap is bloated.(Rams also tanked for 5 years and got nothing out of it from 2007-2011).

 

Marcus Mariotta has been awful.   Titans aren't really any better than the Bills and worse at the QB position by a considerable amount.  

 

Texans didn't tank........they traded up with Cleveland to get Watson.   Remember?  Bills could have just selected Watson.

 

KC got Eric Fisher for tanking......that was a complete fail........they turned it around by hiring Reid and acquiring Alex Smith for picks.

 

Cam and Luck are outstanding but they are the exceptions and have not been anywhere near the consistent level of a Manning, Brady, Rodgers etc.

 

Stafford will enter his TENTH season in Detroit next year with a career losing record as a starter.   He's proof that you can get what you want in tanking and still not be a contender over the course of the next decade.

A bloated salary cap!  Oh no!  Certainly the death knell of any organization.  Just ask the Saints!

 

Titans are 7-3 this year when Mariota plays homie.  But good call!

 

I'm not talking about the Texans in 2016. Hang in there.

 

See above in KC.

 

Stafford was the most clutch QB in the NFL last year and made the postseason several times. 

 

I want to win a Superbowl as much as anyone else, but you can't be a contender if you don't make it to the dance.  

 

Remember you argued players on IR are more valuable than players not on the roster?  Probably the silliest take I've heard in weeks.

Edited December 2, 2017 by jmc12290

[Mat68]

Regardless of the results and outcome, Taylor's performance against the Saints was worthy of him being benched.  Regardless of what was said that move had everything to do with Taylor's performance not Peterman's growth.  Going back to Taylor was do able with the way the move was handled.  Sure Mcdermott has pie on his face but if the team plays with more urgency after the move then I would still consider it a success.  The team was falling back to the same season routine that has plagued the franchise for 17 years.  I am glad a coach decided to do something to change the course.  

Edited December 2, 2017 by Mat68

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Look at how the Eagles and Rams have turned it around this year. Neither one required a recent tank. They both traded up to go and get their franchise QB. Then they made some key free agent and coaching acquisitions. 

 

You don't have to tank to get better.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Jax picking high built the team that is carrying them right now to a probable postseason.  They are probably the most talented team in the league, position by position.  They got unlucky at QB but are a Cousins or Eli from a 12-4 SB run.

 

Titans went from worst in the league to 9-7.

 

Texans tanked back in 2013, Watt was healthy all year.  They got Clowney, who has come into his own as a dominant pass rusher and several other good players.

 

Between 2010 and 2013, KC drafted:

 

Eric Berry #5

Justin Houston

Dontari Poe

Travis Kelce

 

Some REALLY good players who contributed a lot to their playoff years.

 

Colts got unlucky.  They did it right and it almost worked.  Sometimes you get screwed. It happens.

 

 

Drafting well and tanking are different things. The Saints were 7-9 last year and had one of the best drafts that I can remember. They will have the OROY and the DROY. Kelce and Houston were 3rd round picks. That’s good drafting not a result of tanking.

 

I agree that the Jags have a ton of talent. They didn’t tank and get good though. They were an awful football team that hit a few times in the draft. In addition they traded for a former All-pro DT and signed DPOY candidate. That wasn’t tanking working. That was good team building. They are a Super Bowl threat with a legit QB. They whiffed on that. Additionally, they whifffed on the 2nd overall pick with Joekel. Tanking hasn’t been why they are good. They’ve done a nice job in FA and hit on a few picks (Fournette and Ramsey). 

 

The Titans hit in the middle of the 1st on Conklin and Lewan. They then signed Murray and improved. It isn’t because they added the franchise QB.

 

That’s what we are talking about, teams that bottomed out to get a QB. The Lions and Panthers it worked for but that’s pretty much it.

12 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Hey, I agree that TT is the GOAT at .538 win %.  The long-term best plan is to see what NP can do.  With TT this year, we'll probably miss the playoffs with 8-8 or 9-7, then he's gone, and we're back to square one.  However, it would be great to make the playoffs, but we're getting short-term gratification at the expense of building a champion. 

NP is never going to be more than a backup. It’s possible he may not be on the roster next year. Why are we so worried about “seeing what he can do?” If that’s code for “lose games once we are out of playoff contention” I can get behind that. They are drafting a guy either way. They have to get it right. 

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Drafting well and tanking are different things. The Saints were 7-9 last year and had one of the best drafts that I can remember. They will have the OROY and the DROY. Kelce and Houston were 3rd round picks. That’s good drafting not a result of tanking.

 

I agree that the Jags have a ton of talent. They didn’t tank and get good though. They were an awful football team that hit a few times in the draft. In addition they traded for a former All-pro DT and signed DPOY candidate. That wasn’t tanking working. That was good team building. They are a Super Bowl threat with a legit QB. They whiffed on that. Additionally, they whifffed on the 2nd overall pick with Joekel. Tanking hasn’t been why they are good. They’ve done a nice job in FA and hit on a few picks (Fournette and Ramsey). 

 

The Titans hit in the middle of the 1st on Conklin and Lewan. They then signed Murray and improved. It isn’t because they added the franchise QB.

 

That’s what we are talking about, teams that bottomed out to get a QB. The Lions and Panthers it worked for but that’s pretty much it.

I know but I think there are several teams who bottomed out and got a non-QB talent infusion and that worked out as well.

 

I still contend it worked for the Colts. 

 

It would've worked for a team like the moronic Browns if they actually drafted Wentz.

 

If you're going to talk about trading up for a QB versus tanking to get one, you have to include RG3 and his ilk in the discussion.  

Edited December 2, 2017 by jmc12290

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Look at how the Eagles and Rams have turned it around this year. Neither one required a recent tank. They both traded up to go and get their franchise QB. Then they made some key free agent and coaching acquisitions. 

 

You don't have to tank to get better.

This.  Buffalo is never going to have a better opportunity to move up and get franchise caliber/ potential Qb than this year.  Even with Darnold staying at school their are 3-4 1st rd caliber qbs.  2 or 3 could even be top 10 top 5 caliber prospects.  With the way Watson performed that would seem to help Lamar Jackson's NFL Potential.  Find a team with a qb in the top 5 work out a package to move up and get your guy.  Buffalo has such a surplus of picks they have the ability to move to any position on the draft board and still have picks left over to improve the roster for the current year.  

[26CornerBlitz]

6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Regardless of the results and outcome, Taylor's performance against the Saints was worthy of him being benched.  Regardless of what was said that move had everything to do with Taylor's performance not Peterman's growth.  Going back to Taylor was do able with the way the move was handled.  Sure Mcdermott has pie on his face but if the team plays with more urgency after the move then I would still consider it a success.  The team was falling back to the same season routine that has plagued the franchise for 17 years.  I am glad a coach decided to do something to change the course.  

 

It was a total blunder.  Period, No excsusing or spinning into some positive. 

[harv shitz]

If you think Tyrod is even a decent NFL quarterback, you have no idea what you are watching! 

 

His limitations so far outweigh any strengths he has, it's almost laughable. Sure, he can run/scramble, that's it.

1. Won't throw a guy out of a break.

2. Wont' give WR any chance to make a play unless he's wide open.

3. Accuracy down field is poor, look at O'Leary pass late last week.

4. Weak at reading defenses.

5. Poor pocket presence.

6. Holds ball way to long.

 

We were lucky to win last week, nothing, NOTHING to do with his 188 yards passing.

He cost us the game at Carolina, refused to throw the damn ball to anyone other than McCoy.

 

A true quarterback has an attitude, fire, like Kelly had. He, has none of it. A great athlete, seems like a great guy, but if they bring him back next year, my 45 years of supporting this team are over. Two decades of pure horshot quarterback play has worn me out.

 

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:

I know but I think there are several teams who bottomed out and got a non-QB talent infusion and that worked out as well.

 

I still contend it worked for the Colts. 

 

It would've worked for a team like the moronic Browns if they actually drafted Wentz.

 

If you're going to talk about trading up for a QB versus tanking to get one, you have to include RG3 and his ilk in the discussion.  

 

They got extremely lucky for Manning to have a severe neck injury the same time Luck and RG3 came out.  That franchise has not been run smart so I cannot think of a scenerio where they plan that tank.  They expected Manning back and were left with their pants down when he couldn't make it back on the field.  Much of the same way they were with Luck this year safe  for the trade for Brissett.  If they are that smart why not do the same thing this year.  Get a top 2 pick trade it to the highest bidder or Luck to the highest bidder.

[Ga boy]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Drafting well and tanking are different things. The Saints were 7-9 last year and had one of the best drafts that I can remember. They will have the OROY and the DROY. Kelce and Houston were 3rd round picks. That’s good drafting not a result of tanking.

 

I agree that the Jags have a ton of talent. They didn’t tank and get good though. They were an awful football team that hit a few times in the draft. In addition they traded for a former All-pro DT and signed DPOY candidate. That wasn’t tanking working. That was good team building. They are a Super Bowl threat with a legit QB. They whiffed on that. Additionally, they whifffed on the 2nd overall pick with Joekel. Tanking hasn’t been why they are good. They’ve done a nice job in FA and hit on a few picks (Fournette and Ramsey). 

 

The Titans hit in the middle of the 1st on Conklin and Lewan. They then signed Murray and improved. It isn’t because they added the franchise QB.

 

That’s what we are talking about, teams that bottomed out to get a QB. The Lions and Panthers it worked for but that’s pretty much it.

NP is never going to be more than a backup. It’s possible he may not be on the roster next year. Why are we so worried about “seeing what he can do?” If that’s code for “lose games once we are out of playoff contention” I can get behind that. They are drafting a guy either way. They have to get it right. 

Can't really argue with your premise.  I don't think we'll ever get to see what NP can do.  I just know we'll need 30 points to beat Brady, and TT can't get'em.  Call me crazy, but quick-release maybe could if the OL would give him 3 secs.  To preempt your response, I know that's alot of would's and could's.

[BringBackOrton]

20 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Look at how the Eagles and Rams have turned it around this year. Neither one required a recent tank. They both traded up to go and get their franchise QB. Then they made some key free agent and coaching acquisitions. 

 

You don't have to tank to get better.

The obvious problem with trading up is you need a trade partner.  No guarantee.

[Mat68]

18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It was a total blunder.  Period, No excsusing or spinning into some positive. 

Yes Peterman crapping himself in La was bad and a bad look for the franchise but that team was heading in the same direction the team has went the last 10 years.  Taylor showed so little interest and effort vs the Saints I would not have been surprised if they stuck with Peterman even after his 5 int performance.   That was why Taylor was benched. sure the team is gonna sputter but as the Qb you do anything to try and right the ship, ig you dont it apears that you quit.  That is what it looked like to me.  Game was getting out of hand but he wasnt going to hurt his TD to INT ratio to try and make that game respectable.  Hell I respect Peterman still chucking the ball after 2 than 3 than 4 and than the 5th.  They took him out because he could have ended up with an amount no QB could have beaten, because he was going to keep throwing.  That is the complete opposite of the performance Taylor had vs No.  Sure its embarrassing but atleast I can respect this effort.

Edited December 2, 2017 by Mat68

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

Yes Peterman crapping himself in La was bad and a bad look for the franchise but that team was heading in the same direction the team has went the last 10 years.  Taylor showed so little interest and effort vs the Saints I would not have been surprised if they stuck with Peterman even after his 5 int performance.   That was why Taylor was benched. sure the team is gonna sputter but as the Qb you do do anything to try and right the ship makes it apear that you quit.  That is what it looked like to me.  Hell I respect Peterman still chucking the ball after 2 than 3 than 4 and than the 5th.  They took him out because he could have ended up with an amount no QB could have beaten, because he was going to keep throwing.  That is the complete opposite of the performance Taylor had vs No.  Sure its embarrassing but atleast I can respect this effort.

 

This is complete nonsense. 

[Kirby Jackson]

20 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

I know but I think there are several teams who bottomed out and got a non-QB talent infusion and that worked out as well.

 

I still contend it worked for the Colts. 

 

It would've worked for a team like the moronic Browns if they actually drafted Wentz.

 

If you're going to talk about trading up for a QB versus tanking to get one, you have to include RG3 and his ilk in the discussion.  

That’s fair with RG3 because that clearly failed. They got bailed out by their 4th round pick in Cousins but they don’t deserve credit for the trade up. It failed. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

8 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

The obvious problem with trading up is you need a trade partner.  No guarantee.

I used to feel the same way but looking at recent history it seems like teams these days are far more willing to wheel and deal in the first round of the draft.

[cd1]

4 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Yes Peterman crapping himself in La was bad and a bad look for the franchise but that team was heading in the same direction the team has went the last 10 years.  Taylor showed so little interest and effort vs the Saints I would not have been surprised if they stuck with Peterman even after his 5 int performance.   That was why Taylor was benched. sure the team is gonna sputter but as the Qb you do do anything to try and right the ship makes it apear that you quit.  That is what it looked like to me.  Hell I respect Peterman still chucking the ball after 2 than 3 than 4 and than the 5th.  They took him out because he could have ended up with an amount no QB could have beaten, because he was going to keep throwing.  That is the complete opposite of the performance Taylor had vs No.  Sure its embarrassing but atleast I can respect this effort.

 

Lets not forget WHO kept calling those pass plays!!

 

Dennison hung that poor kid out to dry.

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Can't really argue with your premise.  I don't think we'll ever get to see what NP can do.  I just know we'll need 30 points to beat Brady, and TT can't get'em.  Call me crazy, but quick-release maybe could if the OL would give him 3 secs.  To preempt your response, I know that's alot of would's and could's.

Tyrod led the 7th scoring offense (through 16 weeks) last year and a top 10 the year before. Scoring wasn’t an issue pre-Dennison. This Patriots team has holes. It might be the worst run defense in th league. That’s how you can win. Take care of the football and run all over them. That isn’t Peterman.