Marv's Neighbor Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Judging by the stands, loss of sponsors and TV viewership, the NFL needs a lot of help. If Peterman could be a component of that, I'm all for it. Replacing the Commish would be a big shot in the arm too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 exciting NFL QB play has been in decline for years, mainly due to gimmicky collegiate offenses. true pocket passers who have all the tools, and can read the field rarely exist in college anymore. spread offenses, air raid, etc, ruins young QBs. when college coaches develop QBs that can do the things an NFL QB needs to learn in college, then NFL QB play will improve, and the league will flourish again. wouldnt hold my breath tho. college coaches arent interested in developing QBs for the NFL, theyre interested in wins. gimmicky offenses are far easier to teach than a true pro style offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, bigduke6 said: exciting NFL QB play has been in decline for years, mainly due to gimmicky collegiate offenses. true pocket passers who have all the tools, and can read the field rarely exist in college anymore. spread offenses, air raid, etc, ruins young QBs. when college coaches develop QBs that can do the things an NFL QB needs to learn in college, then NFL QB play will improve, and the league will flourish again. wouldnt hold my breath tho. college coaches arent interested in developing QBs for the NFL, theyre interested in wins. gimmicky offenses are far easier to teach than a true pro style offense. There are a lot of good young QBs. Wentz, Goff, Watson, Dak and those are the guys just from the last two draft classes. Considering we are only 19 months removed from the 2016 draft that's a pretty good number of guys. Throw in Mariotta and you have a group of guys who have dramatically changed the quality of their respective teams. All of the teams that drafted these players are headed towards the playoffs except Houston and that's because of an injury to Watson. That's a very quick turnaround for teams that all drafted near the top of the draft. Wait until the rest of the rookies from the most recent class get some seasoning and we'll really see what the last draft class has to offer. You have to go all the way back to 2014 to find a guy (Bortles) at the top of the draft who has actually busted and hell, even his team is going to the playoffs. I don't remember the last time so many highly drafted QBs have been selected without a bust. You did have a period there from 2012-2014 that didn't produce that many guys which helps account for the lack of overall quality play but considering how the last three drafts have turned out I'd say it's heading back in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hows this sound, as the Brady years are coming to an end, the Peterman years have now begun..... I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MDH said: There are a lot of good young QBs. Wentz, Goff, Watson, Dak and those are the guys just from the last two draft classes. Considering we are only 19 months removed from the 2016 draft that's a pretty good number of guys. Throw in Mariotta and you have a group of guys who have dramatically changed the quality of their respective teams. All of the teams that drafted these players are headed towards the playoffs except Houston and that's because of an injury to Watson. That's a very quick turnaround for teams that all drafted near the top of the draft. Wait until the rest of the rookies from the most recent class get some seasoning and we'll really see what the last draft class has to offer. You have to go all the way back to 2014 to find a guy (Bortles) at the top of the draft who has actually busted and hell, even his team is going to the playoffs. I don't remember the last time so many highly drafted QBs have been selected without a bust. You did have a period there from 2012-2014 that didn't produce that many guys which helps account for the lack of overall quality play but considering how the last three drafts have turned out I'd say it's heading back in the right direction. Wentz is on his first truly franchise level season, not bad for his 2nd year, ill give you that. Watson, looked good, book isnt quite out on him yet tho. Goff, looks great, was considered a bust up till 9 games ago. Dak, regressing. Mariotta, hit or miss. lets throw in Winston, hit or miss. One guy, could be considered, worth watching for his play. possibly 2. not exactly must see tv. bout 5 QBs in the league that are worth watching. thats a terrible sample size. people want to see scoring, want to see the long ball. exciting plays, it just isnt happening with any regularity in the current NFL. Edited November 19, 2017 by bigduke6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Just now, bigduke6 said: Wentz is on his first truly franchise level season, not bad for his 2nd year, ill give you that. Watson, looked good, book isnt out on him yet tho. Goff, looks great, was considered a bust up till 9 games ago. Dak, regressing. Mariotta, hit or miss. lets throw in Winston, hit or miss. One guy, could be considered, worth watching for his play. possibly 2. not exactly must see tv. bout 5 QBs in the league that are worth watching. thats a terrible sample size. That's also from just the past 3 years and you're confusing "elite" with "franchise guys". Those guys are all franchise guys who will be leading their teams for years to come. You're also discounting that the guys we've listed aren't fully developed yet. The league is littered with a history of great QBs who didn't look fantastic in the first couple of years. You're trying to compare guys who haven't even had two years in the league to guys who are going to be in the HoF, that's not a fair comparison. The fact that you considered Goff a "bust" until 9 games ago illustrates the point. He wasn't a bust, he was just a young QB and those guys struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) yes, they struggle because the collegiate game hasnt prepared them for the NFL. which goes back to my original post. fans dont want to watch young QBs struggle every week, throw dump off passes, or game manage. Edited November 19, 2017 by bigduke6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 If NP comes and plays like I think he will it will certainly be a great feel good story for the Bills and NFL as a whole. Also it puts us right back into the playoff discussion and a possible dark horse team if this offense starts moving the ball with NP and scoring points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 5 hours ago, row_33 said: You just defined an option taught QB for all practical purposes, Sport.... Get up to date Gramps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I think we can rule that out. May be the worst start for a rookie QB ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YesPlayoffs Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 6 hours ago, SaviorPeterman said: If NP comes and plays like I think he will it will certainly be a great feel good story for the Bills and NFL as a whole. Also it puts us right back into the playoff discussion and a possible dark horse team if this offense starts moving the ball with NP and scoring points. HAHAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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