Rob's House Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 35 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Imagine you’re you but trying to make it in comedy as an up and coming comic. One of the most successful comics invited you to hangout. Then asks you if he can jerk off in front of you. it’s not acceptable. That ignores his coworker who who has the same story as the young comics. He took advantage of his position. He’s not Weinstein but nor is he a good guy in this. He wasn't THAT successful at the time, but regardless, are you saying if you're successful in your field you can't proposition women in the same field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 39 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Imagine you’re you but trying to make it in comedy as an up and coming comic. One of the most successful comics invited you to hangout. Then asks you if he can jerk off in front of you. it’s not acceptable. That ignores his coworker who who has the same story as the young comics. He took advantage of his position. He’s not Weinstein but nor is he a good guy in this. this is laughably weak in argument. unless you somehow believe comics are some how beyond that of any other type of employment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, BeginnersMind said: Imagine you’re you but trying to make it in comedy as an up and coming comic. One of the most successful comics invited you to hangout. Then asks you if he can jerk off in front of you. it’s not acceptable. That ignores his coworker who who has the same story as the young comics. He took advantage of his position. He’s not Weinstein but nor is he a good guy in this. Well, goddammit...when the hell IS it acceptable to ask a woman if you can jerk off in front of her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Well, goddammit...when the hell IS it acceptable to ask a woman if you can jerk off in front of her? Most any other time is fine, or so I've been told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, The Dean said: Most any other time is fine, or so I've been told. So church is good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Well, goddammit...when the hell IS it acceptable to ask a woman if you can jerk off in front of her? After you have been given proper written consent and only after dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: After you have been given proper written consent and only after dammit! You went to Brown University, didn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You went to Brown University, didn't you? Close... Cornell (insert witty humor D.C. Tom style) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: So church is good? Hmmm? Depends what denomination, I suppose. Apparently OK in Roman Catholic churches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rob's House said: He wasn't THAT successful at the time, but regardless, are you saying if you're successful in your field you can't proposition women in the same field? He was the producer of one of their shows. “Do you want to go to dinner?” OK. “Do you wanna watch me jerk off?” Not OK. Remember that time the guy who could blink and give you your dream asked to jerk off in front of you? It’s not like C.K. is a guy who wouldn’t know when one situation is ok and the other is not. He knows when he can abuse his position and when he can't. He already admitted that he abused his power so my goal isn't to beat the dead horse on him personally. I'd like to say, "Others can learn from this" but it's not differential calculus to know not to act the way he acted. Edited November 13, 2017 by BeginnersMind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: He was the producer of one of their shows. “Do you want to go to dinner?” OK. “Do you wanna watch me jerk off?” Not OK. Remember that time the guy who could blink and give you your dream asked to jerk off in front of you? It’s not like C.K. is a guy who wouldn’t know when one situation is ok and the other is not. He knows when he can abuse his position and when he can't. He already admitted that he abused his power so my goal isn't to beat the dead horse on him personally. I'd like to say, "Others can learn from this" but it's not differential calculus to know not to act the way he acted. You're insane. This is a piss poor attempt at an argument. So, she wouldn't feel pressured to agree to dinner when he asked but would feel pressured to be asked about giving himself a tug? This is the worst argument I've seen ever made on the subject of whoever Louis CK is (I know he's a comedian but don't care one bit who he is...) Btw. Apologizing or walking it back is standard procedure. If he remained quiet he would be ripped apart. Just once I'd love these guys to grow some balls an tell the media to !@#$ off. Edited November 13, 2017 by Boyst62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 37 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: So, she wouldn't feel pressured to agree to dinner when he asked but would feel pressured to be asked about giving himself a tug? This is the worst argument I've seen ever made "Hi, want to go to dinner on Friday?" vs. "Hi, do you mind if I masturbate while you watch?" Do see those as the same? I don't. Most don't. But maybe you have different sexual standards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: "Hi, want to go to dinner on Friday?" vs. "Hi, do you mind if I masturbate while you watch?" Do see those as the same? I don't. Most don't. But maybe you have different sexual standards. Haven't we already had a "He asked me to dinner, and I felt I couldn't say no" sexual harassment story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, BeginnersMind said: "Hi, want to go to dinner on Friday?" vs. "Hi, do you mind if I masturbate while you watch?" Do see those as the same? I don't. Most don't. But maybe you have different sexual standards. First off: On any given day of the week I literally text a string of random girls I have on the hook "hey, want to come over and bang?" It's rare for me to ask them to dinner. So, that may help. The other aspect of note is no, I don't see a difference. And I don't know why it's wrong to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 On 11/12/2017 at 5:47 AM, Rob's House said: Do we know if that's true? I haven't heard anything about him wrecking their careers. Here's a bit of an update, his manager just issued an apology for the cover up: http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/louis-ck-dave-becky-sexual-misconduct-1202613798/ http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/pamela-adlon-louis-ck-dave-becky-1202614115/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Here's a bit of an update, his manager just issued an apology for the cover up: http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/louis-ck-dave-becky-sexual-misconduct-1202613798/ http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/pamela-adlon-louis-ck-dave-becky-1202614115/ I don't see anything about destroying their careers. I just see a guy throwing his client under the bus for propositioning women to engage in what appears to be a consensual encounter. I think conflating this with people who actually force themselves on women or pressure them into quid pro quo situations is destructive. I really don't see a meaningful distinction between asking a girl if she wants to !@#$ and asking her if she wants to watch you jerk off. The only difference is that the latter seems weird, but to each his own. 13 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: "Hi, want to go to dinner on Friday?" vs. "Hi, do you mind if I masturbate while you watch?" Do see those as the same? I don't. Most don't. But maybe you have different sexual standards. Just because they're not the same doesn't make one inherently wrong. If you're having drinks with a girl and ask her if she'd like to see your satin sheets it's quite a bit different from asking her if she'd like to go on a picnic, but it doesn't make it wrong outside of puritanical circles. Is trying to get laid a crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Rob's House said: I don't see anything about destroying their careers. I just see a guy throwing his client under the bus for propositioning women to engage in what appears to be a consensual encounter. Yes, but that is his apology story. It's spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 So the last few years it's been all about getting consent. So, Louis asks for consent for what apparently is his thing. And, now he's too successful to do that. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 hours ago, bbb said: So the last few years it's been all about getting consent. So, Louis asks for consent for what apparently is his thing. And, now he's too successful to do that. What? It won't stop until they've completely criminalized straight male sexuality. The ultimate goal of modern feminism is to invert the sexual market to the benefit of ugly women by removing all constraints on female sexuality and any moral agency from women while maximally restricting and criminalizing (even pathologizing, if I may) male sexuality and placing all of the moral responsibility on men. Case in point: the below poster which lays out how a university in this country treats a particular situation between two adults: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, LeviF91 said: It won't stop until they've completely criminalized straight male sexuality. The ultimate goal of modern feminism is to invert the sexual market to the benefit of ugly women by removing all constraints on female sexuality and any moral agency from women while maximally restricting and criminalizing (even pathologizing, if I may) male sexuality and placing all of the moral responsibility on men. Case in point: the below poster which lays out how a university in this country treats a particular situation between two adults: I can't wait for somebody to challenge that bull **** under the equal protection clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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