wilcoam Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 No question, the player turnover, both in terms of last seasons starters, and the entire roster, has been humungous between the Whaley/Rex regime and the Sean/Beane regime, more so than any other regime here in quite some time Basically the entire 2016 WR and Secondary starting lineup is gone (7/24), so yes no starter from last year is safe, but if this regime doesn;t win games, mgmt won't be safe either, because turning over the roster doesn't necessarily equate to winning more games, ask all the other rookie HC and GM's that failed, time will tell... jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) No question, the player turnover, both in terms of last seasons starters, and the entire roster, has been humungous between the Whaley/Rex regime and the Sean/Beane regime, more so than any other regime here in quite some time Basically the entire 2016 WR and Secondary starting lineup is gone (7/24), so yes no starter from last year is safe, but if this regime doesn;t win games, mgmt won't be safe either, because turning over the roster doesn't necessarily equate to winning more games, ask all the other rookie HC and GM's that failed, time will tell... jc Yes, I believe they said there are 53 new players on the team this year (that's why I get a kick out of these people that say they need to at least match Rex's record since they kept Tyrod). The turnover has been pretty extreme. But part of that was the way Whaley had the team set up going into free agency. They had a crazy amount of free agents, and with a new staff coming in, it was set up perfectly to see a lot of turn over. I am think that this regime is safe for at least a few years, if not their whole 5 year contract. I don't think a Pegula expects this to be a 1-2 year process. He seems very sold on McDermott, and I don't think McDermott sold him on instant success. He sold him on long term success, and that takes time. Like !cDermott said, when you change coaches and GMs it means that the organization is "sick", and it's going to take years to cure 17 years of sickness... Edited August 12, 2017 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 What was our record with Watkins, Darby and whoever else you think may now be traded the last few seasons? And you hope Beane knows what he's doing when it was clear as day that Whaley didn't? I don't get the hysteria over todays transactions. Really....you don't get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 If Jones can run his combine 4.45 in pads, I agree. We had either Goodwin or Sammy or both to take the top off a D. ZJ is our deep threat now - to go with the sweet TT deep ball. Modern NFL needs that guy to make a secondary worry. Goodwin and Sammy were that guy for us ... both gone. Sammy ran a 4.43 Mathews ran a 4.46. Wipe the tears away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Is this sarcasm? Basing anything on the first preseason game is ridiculous. DiMarco has 1 carry in his whole career. Come on. That's nonsense logic. Exactly. Low mileage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 11-5 and a Wild Card birth. You made a joke. How funny. Good for you. Dezmin Lewis 4.46 40 time (pro day) Jordan Matthews 4.46 40 time Zay Jones 4.45 Rashad Ross 4.36 I think were alright guys, just sayin. Ridiculous point. Not just about straight line speed. Watkins avg 4 yards more per reception than Matthews and their 40 times are pretty similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Sounds like they have a plan > Sounds like they want their own guys I few things I believe: - New management does not equal same old Bills. It's as clean a slate as we can get. - Bean/McD believed they will not make playoffs this year with Watkins and Darby. IMO, a reasonable analysis. - If NE did this, most would praise their genius. - I believe the new guys have a plan and want to control their own destiny. - Watkins is still a huge injury risk. - Bills were not interested in an either resigning an injured Watkins or break the bank to keep him long term. - I believe Bills think it's a waste spend big money on WR. Better to have four decent receivers, a great QB, a good line, decent backs and a system that plays to strengths. See: GB, NE, etc. - While I like Darby and his contract, he's hardly an elite CB and often the target of fan ire last year. - More important, if McD et al didn't think Darby fit, then by all means, move him now and get something good in return. - I'm very encouraged that the new management don't feel pressure to make unwise short-term decisions that could mare long-term success. - Ive yet to see a football expert find fault in the moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Where's Lawrence Taylor? just drop some coke on the table and see who comes a running..that guy is LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Sounds like they have a plan > Sounds like they want their own guys I few things I believe: - New management does not equal same old Bills. It's as clean a slate as we can get. - Bean/McD believed they will not make playoffs this year with Watkins and Darby. IMO, a reasonable analysis. - If NE did this, most would praise their genius. - I believe the new guys have a plan and want to control their own destiny. - Watkins is still a huge injury risk. - Bills were not interested in an either resigning an injured Watkins or break the bank to keep him long term. - I believe Bills think it's a waste spend big money on WR. Better to have four decent receivers, a great QB, a good line, decent backs and a system that plays to strengths. See: GB, NE, etc. - While I like Darby and his contract, he's hardly an elite CB and often the target of fan ire last year. - More important, if McD et al didn't think Darby fit, then by all means, move him now and get something good in return. - I'm very encouraged that the new management don't feel pressure to make unwise short-term decisions that could mare long-term success. - Ive yet to see a football expert find fault in the moves. Because when the patriots make these moves they still win Superbowls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PABillsfan23 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) This team wasn't making the playoffs with or without Watkins this season. We are loaded with high end picks next year. This team is being built the right way for once. Edited August 12, 2017 by PABillsfan23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Because when the patriots make these moves they still win Superbowls So, McB and McD can't because it's the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I really wish people would give the 'deep threat' stuff a long overdue rest! It's gotten the Bills absolutely NOWHERE over the past decade. It's to the point where I can't even remember the names of all the stellar 'deep threats' that have come and gone from OBD. Run the ball and throw seven yard quick release passes. Move the chains. And then call a rub (pick) route at the goal line for a touchdown. Then repeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I really wish people would give the 'deep threat' stuff a long overdue rest! It's gotten the Bills absolutely NOWHERE over the past decade. It's to the point where I can't even remember the names of all the stellar 'deep threats' that have come and gone from OBD. Run the ball and throw seven yard quick release passes. Move the chains. And then call a rub (pick) route at the goal line for a touchdown. Then repeat! Eh, I get what you're saying, and there is truth to the idea that execution of short routes will prove ultimately successful, but the best passing teams have receivers who can both get open in the short game, and run past the defense when they try to play up to prevent the short stuff. I remember a few years ago, when we had the functional Gailey offense, and when we didn't have speed on the field, and teams knew Fitz couldn't throw it deep to the edges, it killed the running game because the safeties knew nobody was going over top of them with Sammy, Jones, and Nelson on the field. If the safeties actually have to play centerfield to keep the top on the defense, that is what opens up the underneath routes, and the run game with the safeties not up in the box, acting as 2 extra linebackers. If the focus is primarily the short pass and there is little threat of the deep ball, than almost NO passing game is accurate and efficient enough to beat that reliably enough to get down the field and score 7's at a game-winning pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 So, McB and McD can't because it's the Bills? that's not what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjones71 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Well guess what boys and girls? The sun will still come up tomorrow and Sammy and Ronald are gone. Get over it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Well guess what boys and girls? The sun will still come up tomorrow and Sammy and Ronald are gone. Get over it!!! so we can't discuss it and give our thoughts? You can leave if you don't like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Sammy was my favorite player so this move hurts, but I kind of get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Sounds like they have a plan > Sounds like they want their own guys I few things I believe: - New management does not equal same old Bills. It's as clean a slate as we can get. - Bean/McD believed they will not make playoffs this year with Watkins and Darby. IMO, a reasonable analysis. - If NE did this, most would praise their genius. - I believe the new guys have a plan and want to control their own destiny. - Watkins is still a huge injury risk. - Bills were not interested in an either resigning an injured Watkins or break the bank to keep him long term. - I believe Bills think it's a waste spend big money on WR. Better to have four decent receivers, a great QB, a good line, decent backs and a system that plays to strengths. See: GB, NE, etc. - While I like Darby and his contract, he's hardly an elite CB and often the target of fan ire last year. - More important, if McD et al didn't think Darby fit, then by all means, move him now and get something good in return. - I'm very encouraged that the new management don't feel pressure to make unwise short-term decisions that could mare long-term success. - Ive yet to see a football expert find fault in the moves. Nice analysis. I also don't put much stock in 'they want their own guys'. These are professionals who immediately started watching tape and taking into account what they've seen and heard in practices/private workouts, etc. I'm sure they also keep an eye on how they see the team as a whole and whether it has good chemistry. To think they would just trade/cut/release players simply because they want to bring in their own guys is silly. As everyone knows, don't win and the NFL becomes 'Not For Long'. They aren't going to jettison good players they think will help them win. What is happening here is they are willing to make some short term sacrifices for the hope of a long term payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjones71 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 so we can't discuss it and give our thoughts? You can leave if you don't like it and you can kiss me where the sun don't shine. I just meant there is no use getting all upset over something we can't change. I didn't realize I had to explain that to you, but oh well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Beane answered this question directly. He said it has nothing to do with his players vs Whaley' players, said he has no problem keeping players if they buy in to what they're trying to do. They also seem to like a specific type of personality, and I'm not sure that was Sammy. If you look at the guys they've brought in, they are really 100% team first guys. Said they're willing to do whatever the team needs. It isn't about them or their stats and targets, it's only about winning. They're all about doing whatever the team needs them to do to win. We will see in time if their approach is right. But we won't know for at least a few years, and we have no control over any of this stuff. So you may as well sit back and try to enjoy the ride... And not lose our minds complaining about every little possibility????Come on, man!!!! Where is the fun in that? Edited August 12, 2017 by Buffalo Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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