3rdand12 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 ...my idea is with drawn butter and sauteed mushrooms....Wrecks comes with Toe Jam............. not sure whether I am hungry................ or nauseous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 not sure whether I am hungry................ or nauseous. ...sounds as if breakfast toast has been cancelled for the foreseeable future with this disgusting visual.....be wary if Wrecks signs a marketing deal with Smuckers.... ....Welchs may be the safer bet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 If you didn't already know it, the Bills' 2016 run game was pretty damn good. The offense in '17 will be IZ/OZ heavy. We're already pretty good at it. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-best-offensive-line-units-by-run-concept-from-2016/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 If you didn't already know it, the Bills' 2016 run game was pretty damn good. The offense in '17 will be IZ/OZ heavy. We're already pretty good at it. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-best-offensive-line-units-by-run-concept-from-2016/ I think it's going to take a step back with less variety in the schemes. Last year's run game was so developed and diverse that it could really attack any defense regardless of its alignment or disposition. I think this year it's going to be up to the passing game to step it up a notch and back defenses off, otherwise it's going to be hard to maintain the level of effectiveness that they had last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 @RobQuinn619 Bills 'unstoppable' run game should carry over into 2017 despite coaching changes https://t.co/c6CbTPx5jJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) I think it's going to take a step back with less variety in the schemes. Last year's run game was so developed and diverse that it could really attack any defense regardless of its alignment or disposition. I think this year it's going to be up to the passing game to step it up a notch and back defenses off, otherwise it's going to be hard to maintain the level of effectiveness that they had last season. I don't completely buy that idea. When you're that dominant running a concept, it points in the direction of teams simply struggling to stop you imposing your will. Potentially returning all 5 linemen responsible (or starting what I believe to be an upgrade at RT) and the same starting RB, the continuity is still there. I agree that the pass game will have to get better (and we will be passing more in '17). Tyrod will be put into a position to shut up some of the critics that think he can't execute off play action or on time. If he can really make the next step as a passer, especially on bootleg plays off the stretch run action, it'll make him so much harder to defend. Edited June 30, 2017 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 JW had those same holes and sucked. THIS!!! TD Mike is really good...let's not take away form his talents. I am still upset about losing him to the Cheatriots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I don't completely buy that idea. When you're that dominant running a concept, it points in the direction of teams simply struggling to stop you imposing your will. Potentially returning all 5 linemen responsible (or starting what I believe to be an upgrade at RT) and the same starting RB, the continuity is still there. I agree that the pass game will have to get better (and we will be passing more in '17). Tyrod will be put into a position to shut up some of the critics that think he can't execute off play action or on time. If he can really make the next step as a passer, especially on bootleg plays off the stretch run action, it'll make him so much harder to defend. Yeah, but the Bills weren't running just one concept last season. That was a major key to their success. They would run zone, man, read option, iso, traps, misdirection, etc. They would run the QB, RBs and WRs. That's a lot to prepare for and defense's just couldn't handle all of it. The Cowboys were more of an example of a team that ran a few simple concepts but just imposed their will. The Bills OL is not at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I don't completely buy that idea. When you're that dominant running a concept, it points in the direction of teams simply struggling to stop you imposing your will. Potentially returning all 5 linemen responsible (or starting what I believe to be an upgrade at RT) and the same starting RB, the continuity is still there. I agree that the pass game will have to get better (and we will be passing more in '17). Tyrod will be put into a position to shut up some of the critics that think he can't execute off play action or on time. If he can really make the next step as a passer, especially on bootleg plays off the stretch run action, it'll make him so much harder to defend. ...will also preserve OL if passing game is sped up.....holding blocks during prolonged east-west scrambles will wear them down especially in the heat and the rotational guys need plenty of work versus plug 'n play.......also need to preserve Shady with + or - 250 carries in 2017....find a complimentary back to help carry the load and utilize Shady out of the backfield...the lad has hands...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) I don't completely buy that idea. When you're that dominant running a concept, it points in the direction of teams simply struggling to stop you imposing your will. Potentially returning all 5 linemen responsible (or starting what I believe to be an upgrade at RT) and the same starting RB, the continuity is still there. I agree that the pass game will have to get better (and we will be passing more in '17). Tyrod will be put into a position to shut up some of the critics that think he can't execute off play action or on time. If he can really make the next step as a passer, especially on bootleg plays off the stretch run action, it'll make him so much harder to defend. a resounding agreement from me on both paragraphs. Vic C's recent dig at the Bills O line is caustic in the nicest manner. I feel they will at the very least maintain if not actually improve. And this offense , in theory of course, should be Hotrods comfort zone. Could be how they sold him to come back at that price. His best chance to succeed perhaps ? and as mentioned LM might have more fun with this game play. You folks are right, he really has sweet hands and is very fluid coming out of the backfield making it easier for the qb. I can imagine good things. Like screens to Watkins with LM in motion. That's gotta be a brutal look for defenses, if they Bills develop that type of call and make it an honest threat to gameplan against ! THIS!!! TD Mike is really good...let's not take away form his talents. I am still upset about losing him to the Cheatriots! your pain is reasonable. You are not the only one Brother. Great change of pace back. I wish they had a rookie who played Shady style ball, so the Veteran could mentor. Maybe next draft. Edited June 30, 2017 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 @RobQuinn619 Bills 'unstoppable' run game should carry over into 2017 despite coaching changes https://t.co/c6CbTPx5jJ I'd like to hope so...and yes, if Dennison is smart, he'll be pulling pages and pages from the Roman playbook along with the annotations from Anthony Lynn. Its innovative, it uses the talent on the field, and it worked. But.... I've also heard the same from other coaches...taking over something that had worked...and pledging not to destroy it. Rex's press conference after he fired Schwartz: "One thing you'll find out about me is that it's not ego-driven. We're not going to definitely play a 3-4 or a 4-3, for that matter. We're going to have in our arsenal the ability to do anything. As an opponent, you've got to prepare for everything because, if not, I'm going to find out what you're not prepared for and I'll attack you appropriately. That's how we play defense. We play defense based on our personnel, not just the scheme. I don't try to put a square peg in a round hole." That statement alone should quell any fear that the Bills' defense will take a step back by losing Schwartz. Ryan knows defense as well as anybody in the NFL. http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2015/01/rex_ryan_explains_firing_jim_schwartz_says_buffalo_bills_defense_will_rank_no_1.html Coaches have egos. They want to do things their way. Colonel Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain: Generals can do anything. There's nothing so much like a god on earth as a General on a battlefield. I'm sure many think of themselves as generals when they put together their gameplan. Its why most haven't learned more than one "scheme" in their careers, but expecdt players to learn a new one every year. I won't speak for Dennison, I don't know enough aobut him..but he'd be a fool not to take things from that playbook. Whether he will...another story. Ive come to realize that nfl coordinators can be the biggest divas in all of sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Good article, I love PFF Now this may rile up folks but its true The Bills under Pegs to date continually exhibit a lack of on field continuity Think about it 4 yrs of ownership and there's been 3 mgmt regimes So those who thought our 2014 D would be just as good in 2015 were dead wrong Looking back there was a lack of continuity Mgmt changes, scheme changes, minor player changes, all had a major impact, the end result is history I'll project the same thing will unfort occur will the Bills 2017 run game There is a lack of continuity from 2016 You cannot change HC's, OC's, blocking schemes, make player changes, and it not have an effect True, its possible the run game could be even better But the odds are all the changes will result in it not being as effecient as it was last year Then again I expect with a healthy Sammy, shiny new WR's, different blocking on passing downs, you might see an improved pass attack If I am correct maybe it'll balance itself out And I hope I'm wrong, I'm totally down with winning with a great ground game and a better D I'm just not yet convinced with all the changes the 2017 Bills will offer either or I mean do you see an easy 10 wins here with this offense or defense? jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Yes but what does it matter how you score Touchdowns if your scoring a lot of Touchdowns? The end result is the same, correct? You can't count solely on the run. Football is situational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) JW had those same holes and sucked.be jw sucked and Gillislee didnt. diesnt mean he was worth 4+ mil.. if we can find ANYONE to keep Tolbert from being out number 2. we SHOULD be okI dont care about having the #1 Run game, its not how you get to the superbowl. You MUST be able to throw the damn ball and do it well. I would rather drop to 8th or 10th in rushing and greatly increase our passing numbers.our offense would still be the same ranking wise but more dangerous. that my friend is how you make a difference Edited July 3, 2017 by Agent 91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Most of this statement is short-sighted and incorrect. The marks of a good offense are POINTS SCORED, AVOIDING TURNOVERS and EFFICIENCY. How a team manages to accomplish these things (running or passing) is completely and totally irrelevant. Does this mean our passing game is good enough right now? Absolutely not. There are going to be times where the team is behind without much time on the clock, and Tyrod Taylor is forced to move the ball with his arm. These are moments when the run game will not help and the QB can't afford to play it safe. We need Tyrod to get better in these moments. No doubt. But I hate when people suggest the Bills should just forget the run and become a passing team, because "that's what wins in the NFL." It's just not true. great post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I read we were 7th in scoring last year. Yes, we need to pass more, and I believe Denison will put us in a position to make that happen. McDermitt turned around every defense he coached. That's what has to improve this year. all he has to do to turn the bills defense around is go back to a 43. will we be top 3? prob not but top 10 is my expectation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) Thurman, I respect you as one of the more intelligent posters on this board but I have to disagree to an extent. Let's say the Bills score 100 offensive TDs this year. But only 37 of the 100 TDs came through the air. Would you still be disappointed in the passing game? The percent of TDs that come through the air is meaningless. Think about this: teams today generally pass more than they run. So today's defenses (schemes, rosters, lineups) are more designed to stop the pass than the run. In fact, defenses are in nickel and dime packages about 60% of the time. The ancient Chinese strategist, Sun Tzu, said it's best to 'attack where there is no defense.' So if defenses are trying to stop the pass, maybe the smart thing to do right now is run. It's certainly the smart thing to do when your RB is better than your QB. In the end, why do we care how we get our points as long as we score more than our opponent? Last year, we were in the top 10 in scoring but our D was weak. We need to get better at D. But you're right - we're unlikely to be as effective on the ground this year as we were last year. So - to stay in the top 10 in scoring - we're going to have to develop a better passing game. And I think we will - screw the pundits. Hondo, the percentage of TDs gotten through the air is absolutely NOT meaningless when people so consistently try to use the whole offense's scoring totals to prove that the passing game is good. The percentage of TDs gotten through the air lets the air out of that senseless connection. To take your example, if the Bills next year scored 100 TDs and 37 were through the air and people used these numbers to attempt to prove that the passing game was good, they would have failed. As I've said a dozen times, the run game was terrific. I'm not arguing that. But using stats provided largely by the run game to try to say things about the pass game just doesn't make sense. The bottom line is this, the run game was great, and the pass game was substandard, as was the whole defense and the STs. You say, "So if defenses are trying to stop the pass, maybe the smart thing to do right now is run." Thing is, when other defenses played the Bills, they weren't trying to stop the pass. Does "make him play QB" sound familiar? Our run game was what other teams made their first priority, and for good reason when the run game's efficiency (yards per carry) was far and away #1 in the league and the pass game's efficiency (yards per attempt) was 20th in the league. Boiled down, I guess what I'm trying to say is as simple as this: Stats for the passing game should be used to evaluate the passing game. Stats for the run game should be used to evaluate the run game. And stats for the whole offense should be used to evaluate the whole offense. People here are trying to use stats for the whole offense to evaluate the passing game. Which doesn't make sense. As for us developing a better pass game next year, I'd argue we have to do more than get better, that we have to get a lot better. Can we do it? Yeah, it's possible. I highly doubt it, but I hope you're right. Clearly it would be the best thing for the Bills. Love the Sun Tzu reference, though I'm more of a Musashi fan. "Whatever your determination or will power, it is foolish to try to change the nature of things. Things work the way they do because that is the way of things." I disagree with significant amounts of it, but still, nice thoughtful post. Edited July 3, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) be jw sucked and Gillislee didnt. diesnt mean he was worth 4+ mil.. if we can find ANYONE to keep Tolbert from being out number 2. we SHOULD be ok Gillislee was worth the money the Pats gave him. The Pats are skinflints and they valued him right. The Pats made him the 27th highest paid back in the league, the guy who outran LeSean McCoy behind the same line, scoring the highest yards per carry figure in the league. Touchdown Mike is worth the money, and more than that, the Pats had to give him more money than we had to. We could have kept him by giving him a 2nd round tender, which was $2.81 mill. Which would have valued him 30th in the league. Again, a good deal. We were in serious salary cap straits, though, and couldn't do it, which is a damn shame. Edited July 3, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I read we were 7th in scoring last year. Yes, we need to pass more, and I believe Denison will put us in a position to make that happen. McDermitt turned around every defense he coached. That's what has to improve this year. McDermott has turned around defenses very well indeed. But not necessarily in the first year. 2008 Eagles 3rd in yards, 12th in points, 4th in points McDermott becomes defensive coordinator before 2009 season 2009 Eagles 12th in yards, 19th in points 2010 Eagles 12th in yards, 21st in points 2010 Panthers 18th in yards, 26th in points McDermott becomes defensive coordinator before 2010 season 2011 28th in yards, 27th in points 2012 10th in yards, 18th in points 2013 2nd in yards, 2nd in points 2014 10th in yards, 21st in points 2015 6th in points, 6th in points 2016 21st in yards, 26th in points There's a lot of interesting things there, but one of them is that it generally takes him more than a year to make a real turnaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Looking back on the O and D run and pass rankings (see my previous post) it tells us a lot about the Bills. We were an elite rushing team with excellent pass defense, but terrible run defense and poor passing game. The first thing that sticks out to me is that, wow, we can't fall off at all on defense. That'd be catastrophic. An improvement is obviously needed and I do expect it based solely on us running a competent scheme this season. But it'll take a big improvement (3.6 ppg) to get into the top 5. We were there before Wrex, so maybe we can get back - or at least close. As many have noted, the scoring defense needs to improve. Statistically that looks like it's all run defense, but one could argue that other teams ran on us a lot because they were ahead late in the game. Regardless, our run defense sucked. The second thing, as I noted before, is that the pass game has to improve. Our run game is so far ahead of everyone else that we really can't improve it. 8 of the other top 11 ranked offenses made the post season. There are times that we will need to pass to win and we haven't been able to do that. That has to change too. I find it really hard to understand how anyone could call our pass defense "excellent." We were 12th in the league at defensive passer rating, with an 85.9. And in a four-way tie for 22nd in the league in defensive passing efficiency, with a defensive YPA of 7.5. That's not excellent. I think people try to use the fact that they only allowed 3,582 yards total in passing, 6th in the league, as evidence that they were really good. But that is largely a reflection of how infrequently teams passed against us. We had the lowest amount of passes thrown against us, #32 in the league with only 511 attempts. That's why we had a relatively low amount of yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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