26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 So of course you're making up what happens in the 2017 season to strengthen your argument? Boldin isn't affiliated with a camp right now. Your logic would be that he hasn't gotten any interest in a season and should retire. Bananas. I think JB is right. Were you a "March to 2000 yards" Spiller guy? Hint: Boldin played last season while Fred Jackson didn't. Boldin was very productive and will have suitors to choose from. Spiller has nothing to do with any assessment of Fred, but since you brought him up I have said many times he is one of the least instinctive RBs I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Thanks re: the credible points. If sarcasm were any indicator of credibility, then I'd be inclined to agree with your critique. Here's my statement with the fun taken out of it: "If LeSean McCoy has less career carries than Fred Jackson, and LeSean McCoy is still durable enough to play in the NFL, then it is possible Fred Jackson to be durable enough to play in the NFL." Sarcasm aside - the number of career carries doesn't really factor into durability, as much as we don't like to admit it, age plays a large part of us getting older and less durable than we used to be. Can't fight Father Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 So of course you're making up what happens in the 2017 season to strengthen your argument? Boldin isn't affiliated with a camp right now. Your logic would be that he hasn't gotten any interest in a season and should retire. Bananas. I think JB is right. Were you a "March to 2000 yards" Spiller guy? he is the penultimate of populous hive thought. If its not copy and pasted from somewhere he cannot generate original thought or provide insight to his blanket statements. It is what appears to be a lack of football knowledge or comprehension. Its best to ignore it as many do. Hint: Boldin played last season while Fred Jackson didn't. Boldin was very productive and will have suitors to choose from. Spiller has nothing to do with any assessment of Fred, but since you brought him up I have said many times he is one of the least instinctive RBs I have ever seen.hint: boldin has nothing to do with Jackson. Just as Jackson has nothing to do with spiller, except for your 2011ish or whenever it was hype train of spiller being dynamic, etc. Fact. They play different positions. And styles. Jackson as an out of the backfield target could be valuable since we lack a second tight end. Jackson blocking is still better than any back we have. Its unlikely either contribute to this team in 2017 if they join. Jackson, however had more to offer with his leadership than boldin. But boldin would have better numbers do to the position he plays and not being behind McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I mean, what would really be the harm in bringing him to camp? He's probably better then the last rv currently on the roster. As sad as it is, he might be better then our current #2 lol. Let him go to camp, you can always cut him if it's all gone. Give him a chance to retire as a Bill the right way and maybe even play a preseason game. Let him suit up as the guy in the 4th preseason game. It would give some fans a reason to watch it I agree with you but McDermott doesn't strike me as the sentimental type guy. He's all business, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Here's my statement with the fun taken out of it: "If LeSean McCoy has less career carries than Fred Jackson, and LeSean McCoy is still durable enough to play in the NFL, then it is possible Fred Jackson to be durable enough to play in the NFL." "Durable enough?" Well, gee, there are probably a bunch of 40-year-olds out there who have kept themselves in shape and could stumble around a football field without getting hurt. Durability is but one piece of the puzzle. For you to compare Shady -- a possible future HOFer in the prime of his career -- with FredEx is the height of naivete. And by the way, your best example of a 36-year-old running back in the NFL is a HOFer (and it was 20 years ago). Please just give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Which NFL scouting dept do you work for? Your logic goes both ways. Clearly your a scout of some NFL team. Youve had fred in for a workout and know for a fact he has one year left. Just dont understand why you cant convince the GM of your team to sign him? If you would have read the thread, you would have seen me say multiple times that I said it is unlikely that Jackson has much left. All I've argued in here is that it is possible. Sarcasm aside - the number of career carries doesn't really factor into durability, as much as we don't like to admit it, age plays a large part of us getting older and less durable than we used to be. Can't fight Father Time. I'd say that while it isn't necessarily determinative of career length, durability does factor in. "Durable enough?" Well, gee, there are probably a bunch of 40-year-olds out there who have kept themselves in shape and could stumble around a football field without getting hurt. Durability is but one piece of the puzzle. For you to compare Shady -- a possible future HOFer in the prime of his career -- with FredEx is the height of naivete. And by the way, your best example of a 36-year-old running back in the NFL is a HOFer (and it was 20 years ago). Please just give it up. Again, all I'm saying is it's possible. Not likely, but possible. I'm not moving the goalposts on the argument. Plus, I'm not comparing McCoy and Jackson's ability, just their career carries, which I do maintain factors into whether or not a player still has anything left in the tank. Edited June 20, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 If you would have read the thread, you would have seen me say multiple times that I said it is unlikely that Jackson has much left. All I've argued in here is that it is possible. It's pretty telling with 90 man rosters that he's not signed. Plenty of veteran RBs available who'll likely get calls well before the venerable Mr. Jackson: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/running-back/available/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 It's pretty telling with 90 man rosters that he's not signed. Plenty of veteran RBs available who'll likely get calls well before the venerable Mr. Jackson: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/running-back/available/ how many other good players aren't signed? Barnidge? Boldin? Did fitz sign yet? 2 of them will start 6-8 games this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) It's pretty telling with 90 man rosters that he's not signed. Plenty of veteran RBs available who'll likely get calls well before the venerable Mr. Jackson: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/running-back/available/ Telling, yes, which is why I've said multiple times that it is likely he is done. Again, I don't presume to know which HBs will get calls first because I don't work for an NFL organization. And honestly I would shoot for DeAngelo Williams before Fred Jackson, but Williams is unlikely to be interested because he wants to go to a Super Bowl contender. But that argument also cuts both ways because the logic basically means that no current free agent HB, or any free agent for that matter, is worth anything because... they are free agents, so NFL teams must think they are unfit to play. Similar to Boyst's post, above. EDIT: Plus, that list includes Reggie Bush... Edited June 20, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Telling, yes, which is why I've said multiple times that it is likely he is done. Again, I don't presume to know which HBs will get calls first because I don't work for an NFL organization. And honestly I would shoot for DeAngelo Williams before Fred Jackson, but Williams is unlikely to be interested because he wants to go to a Super Bowl contender. But that argument also cuts both ways because the logic basically means that no current free agent HB, or any free agent for that matter, is worth anything because... they are free agents, so NFL teams must think they are unfit to play. Similar to Boyst's post, above. EDIT: Plus, that list includes Reggie Bush... Even Reggie Bush played during the '16 season. Curious that Jackson isn't even listed. Hmmmm? I wonder why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I love Fred just like everyone else but I dont see the Bills picking him up. At some point the Bills have to see what they have in Williams. Williams has shown good and bad play. Let him prove he can or cant be the #2 RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Even Reggie Bush played during the '16 season. Curious that Jackson isn't even listed. Hmmmm? I wonder why. "Played" is an abuse of that word. He fell down a few times. And again, that argument cuts both ways because Spotrac lists Bush as a current NFL free agent. And it is likely Jackson was recuperating last year. Would like to say, again, that I think it is unlikely Jackson plays. I just don't pretend to know the future down to a certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 "Played" is an abuse of that word. He fell down a few times. And again, that argument cuts both ways because Spotrac lists Bush as a current NFL free agent. And it is likely Jackson was recuperating last year. Would like to say, again, that I think it is unlikely Jackson plays. I just don't pretend to know the future down to a certainty. No argument there. Bush was brutal. WRT Fred, he was available and wanted to play last season. I'll concede it's possible that he could get a call if there are enough guys that get hurt, but he hasn't even had a sniff thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 No argument there. Bush was brutal. WRT Fred, he was available and wanted to play last season. I'll concede it's possible that he could get a call if there are enough guys that get hurt, but he hasn't even had a sniff thus far. He really was. But yeah, for all the back and forth, I think we're actually saying the same thing: Jackson likely will not play again, but it could happen given the correct circumstances. Is there a report that he hasn't had any teams contact him? Or is that just from him saying he'll wait for them to contact him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Hint: Boldin played last season while Fred Jackson didn't. Boldin was very productive and will have suitors to choose from. Spiller has nothing to do with any assessment of Fred, but since you brought him up I have said many times he is one of the least instinctive RBs I have ever seen. Right. Boldin played one more season than Jackson. So Boldin has been out of the NFL for 1 season, Jackson 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Right. Boldin played one more season than Jackson. So Boldin has been out of the NFL for 1 season, Jackson 2. Boldin had 8 touchdowns last year, so I don't think that's correct. Jackson played in 2015, albeit not much. Edited June 20, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 He really was. But yeah, for all the back and forth, I think we're actually saying the same thing: Jackson likely will not play again, but it could happen given the correct circumstances. Is there a report that he hasn't had any teams contact him? Or is that just from him saying he'll wait for them to contact him? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/05/fred-jackson-wants-to-play-this-season-at-age-36/ Fred Jackson was a rarity in 2015: A 34-year-old running back. But he didn’t play at all in 2016, which presumably means his days in the NFL are over. But Jackson doesn’t think so. He’s hoping to play in 2017 and waiting for some team to give him a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 If you would have read the thread, you would have seen me say multiple times that I said it is unlikely that Jackson has much left. All I've argued in here is that it is possible. I'd say that while it isn't necessarily determinative of career length, durability does factor in. Again, all I'm saying is it's possible. Not likely, but possible. I'm not moving the goalposts on the argument. Plus, I'm not comparing McCoy and Jackson's ability, just their career carries, which I do maintain factors into whether or not a player still has anything left in the tank. If the argument is merely about possibility, then I think you've got a valid point. It's possible some NFL team foolishly signs a 36 year old, slow running back who hasn't done anything meaningful since a very mediocre 3.7 ypc and injury plagued 2014 and takes a roster spot away from any other player, particularly another running back which has more potential at what looks like year in and year out to be the youngest of young mans positions' on the field. It's possible. It's just not probable because NFL teams rarely make such poor decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) If the argument is merely about possibility, then I think you've got a valid point. It's possible some NFL team foolishly signs a 36 year old, slow running back who hasn't done anything meaningful since a very mediocre 3.7 ypc and injury plagued 2014 and takes a roster spot away from any other player, particularly another running back which has more potential at what looks like year in and year out to be the youngest of young mans positions' on the field. It's possible. It's just not probable because NFL teams rarely make such poor decisions... Comparing that to Jonathan Williams' 3.5 YPC last year, plus his fumble problems, I continue to think it is possible. Jackson's 3.8 YPC in 2015 (edit: originally said last year by mistake) is the same as his 3.8 YPC in 2012 when he rushed for 437 yards. And I have to disagree with the notion that NFL teams rarely make poor decisions. Edited June 20, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 This is simply a dumb thread. And I concede I'm dumber for having participated in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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