row_33 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) You really have to wonder about the future of the sport. More and more parents will not let their kids play as stuff like this comes out. I expect there will a fatality on the NFL field within a few years. That will cause a fracturing of fan support. Edited May 10, 2017 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 You really have to wonder about the future of the sport. More and more parents will not let their kids play as stuff like this comes out. Already happening in parts of the country. My wife is a nurse and we have a neighbor who is a concussion researcher for a major local teaching hospital. My sons never had a chance of playing anything but flag football. For the record, I agreed with the decision. The risks are simply far too great for a sport, particularly when there are so many more to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 FWIW, I watched Concussion last night on a flight - fantastic movie! Definitely a must watch for NFL fans. It's a real shame what many players go through as they start to age. And while it's real easy to say "players know the risks", I'm not sure they really realize what long-term damage can be done. I'm not sure what the solve if (or even if there is one), but that flick definitely changed the way I look at the game a bit... I had the same reaction. I would strongly suggest that anybody who has not yet seen this movie should watch it asap. And I strongly agree with you last sentence. It also changed the way I look at the game but I'm not even sure how, or what can be done about it. These guys are lightening fast genetic mutants and they are going to continue to get injured. And you know, Jim Kiick should not be living in squalor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Didn't like the movie, I'm kinda used to people destroying themselves through sports or drugs, at least these guys made money and bought a house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 You cannot stop it with padded helmets. Padding will help prevent breaking the skull itself. The damage to the brain occurs when a sudden stop makes the brain hit the inside of the skull. The only way to stop that is to stop hitting things with your head. That is one of reasons to go to padded helmets - removes use as weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Damage occurs thousands of times for a lineman with head slaps, forearm shivers, helmet collision, getting kicked, sometimes innocuous hits cause it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 What causes the damage is the jostling of the brain as it hits the skull. No amount of padding can protect against that. It's the sudden stop that causes that. I haven't studied it, but if the shell of the helmet has soft padding it could in theory reduce how hard the head stops. Possibly mitigating the brain jostling around. Like those Sumo Wrestling suits people wear. Not to that extreme but it helps illustrate my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 for some reason when i was a little grade schooler my favorite team was the dolphins. dropped on my head i guess. nick b was my favorite, i used to have posters of him and mercury morris in my bedroom. good luck nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 ...kind of sad....always liked the guy....terrible his son took that hit in college as is a quadriplegic...........Nick was a member of the "Killer B's"............... He was a member of the no name defense young un.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) That is one of reasons to go to padded helmets - removes use as weapon. I don't care how much padding you put on it. These guys are so fast and strong it will still be used as a weapon. A rule change would do it, but that alters the game by taking so much of the violence out of it no one would like that change. Right now, if you let your kid play you as the parent are assuming that responsibility. The cumulative effects of all the hits to the head are well established now. More and more parents are choosing to opt their kids out of the game. Edited May 10, 2017 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NeckBeard Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Ummmm ... the title of this thread is "Nick Buoniconti - CTE". Ah yes. Too much clicking today. Deleted my thingy. Back to my ~1 post / day average, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I don't care how much padding you put on it. These guys are so fast and strong it will still be used as a weapon. A rule change would do it, but that alters the game by taking so much of the violence out of it no one would like that change. Not necessarily. If you make helmets which have to be replaced after collusions which can be done with ceramics some of the impact is absorbed and distributed and should reduce about of damage inside the skull. It could be made with a frame so just the plates damaged would be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 You really have to wonder about the future of the sport. More and more parents will not let their kids play as stuff like this comes out. Very true. No way my kid would ever play football. We live in Taiwan, so it is not a big probability anyway, but any sport that involves blows to the head is in peril. He was a bit if a taekwando prodigy when he was six, so they promptly started matching him with ten year olds. Saw him get kicked in the twice at practice and said that is it for taekwando. His coach is a cool guy who comes into my bar, maybe 50 years old, out of his gourd though. Repeats himself, forgets he ordered things, introduces friends of his to me when I have met ten times. This is pre-booze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) Not necessarily. If you make helmets which have to be replaced after collusions which can be done with ceramics some of the impact is absorbed and distributed and should reduce about of damage inside the skull. It could be made with a frame so just the plates damaged would be replaced. They can make improvements certainly that would help. But the fact of the matter is, the sudden stop injures the brain. They can make it less of a sudden stop, but they cannot eliminate the damage so long as routine head collisions are part of the game. Either you accept that as a player or parent of a player, or you do not. Edited May 11, 2017 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 cte is to sports science what global warming is to climatology science. You're ironically right, in that you are 180 degrees from the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) An article in Sports Illustrated claims that Jim Kiick has "holes in his brain." I am not going to pretend that I know what this means but it sure sounds bad. Edited May 11, 2017 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 You're ironically right, in that you are 180 degrees from the truth. is that what bill nye told ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 An article in Sports Illustrated claims that Jim Kiick has "holes in his brain." I am not going to pretend that I know what this means but it sure sounds bad. Boxing has taught us what repeated hits to the head can do. Don't need an autopsy to get a decent conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 A return to padded leather helmets with no facemask, and lacrosse style shoulder pads is the answer. Take away a player's willingness to use his head and shoulders as a weapon will minimize "knock out" type hits, and will lead to body tackling like in rugby. right on the money. ive thought this for years. i think we cann all agree---well anyone with common sense---that head battering from age 7 up to age 40 will cause brain damage. but we also have to ponder the reasons for the much higher rates of alz in the normal public. there are reasons for it. and i think the answer lies somewhere in the pharmaceutical industry. I understand your guys reason for thinking, but that only applies to a specific part of the game. What about accidental collisions that could not be avoided? Say perhaps two defenders going after a ball carrier from different sides accidentally going head to head? Or a defender tackling low and getting kneed in the head? How would having less padding affect those situations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) I understand your guys reason for thinking, but that only applies to a specific part of the game. What about accidental collisions that could not be avoided? Say perhaps two defenders going after a ball carrier from different sides accidentally going head to head? Or a defender tackling low and getting kneed in the head? How would having less padding affect those situations? It applies to the overwhelming majority of the game. Edited May 11, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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