Nanker Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Since 1992 300 QBs have been drafted into the NFL. The team average for drafting QBs is a little over 9. The average number of games played by all 300 QBs is about 46. The Bills have drafted 6 QBs in that time, as have Tennessee, and Indy. Dallas has the lowest number drafted – 4. Jacksonville, Miami, NO, and Raiders each drafted 7. A few others drafted 8 or 9. Green Bay and the JESTS drafted the most – 14, and Denver, Washington 13 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 According to Bills fans and John Murphy, NEXT YEAR is always a better QB class if you've noticed... It's been that way as long as I can remember: Whatever year it is: This isn't a good QB class at all... NEXT YEAR is the year to take one! The next year: This year's class is not great... no 1st rounders... NEXT YEAR is the year! Rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Since 1992 300 QBs have been drafted into the NFL. The team average for drafting QBs is a little over 9. The average number of games played by all 300 QBs is about 46. The Bills have drafted 6 QBs in that time, as have Tennessee, and Indy. Dallas has the lowest number drafted – 4. Jacksonville, Miami, NO, and Raiders each drafted 7. A few others drafted 8 or 9. Green Bay and the JESTS drafted the most – 14, and Denver, Washington 13 each. Good research. It looks like we drafted QBs with below average frequency despite having an above average need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'm hearing 2018 is the class to take one! Almost nothing else matters. Get your QB and you're in the playoffs most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1) You would have a massive general erosion of talent on the roster, making it hard for any QB to thrive 2) The constant churn would cause you to cut guys loose before they ever really got a shot. Absent no doubt talents like Luck & Cam, teams that have developed "Franchise QBs" have put them in situations where not much was needed from them to succeed. They were able to learn and grow in the position while having the team win games despite them until it eventually flipped and they won because of them. Brady, Wilson, Big Ben all followed this model. Rodgers sat for a couple of years before being inserted into a playoff team. Carr, Mariota and Dak are looking like the next wave, all on teams with dominant OLines and outstanding skill players/running games and were not asked to do too much to start. Our line is as good as it's been in 2 decades and we still have a hole at RT, our skill positions with Shady and Sammy as as good as they've been in 2 decades and we have a massive need at WR. We haven't had a QB succeed here or been able to develop a franchise guy because we've never had the foundation for it to happen. It's like trying to build a skyscraper on the beach, it isn't going to work. Every year might be extreme but how about every other year until we find a franchise QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Good research. It looks like we drafted QBs with below average frequency despite having an above average need. Thanks. Absolutely. Most of the teams that drafted very few QBs have or had a franchise QB during that period. Todd Collins J.P. - yes, that JP Trent Edwards Levi Brown EJ Cardale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 The Packers didn't draft Brett Favre, did they? And Bledsoe was a starter for eight years before Brady came out of nowhere. He didn't pass for 44,000 yards from the bench. The Patriots didn't make a genius move, they made a lucky one. The point may stand, that the Bills haven't done enough to get THE guy. If they had done enough, he'd be on the roster. All I'm saying is, just looking at draft picks doesn't show the whole picture. It does for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LI_Bills Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Just came across this on Pro Football talk: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/26/how-often-do-teams-draft-qbs-less-than-jets/ A little deceiving from a Bills standpoint. As OP pointed out, if you go back another 10 years our number jumps from 4 to 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 According to Bills fans and John Murphy, NEXT YEAR is always a better QB class if you've noticed... It's been that way as long as I can remember: Whatever year it is: This isn't a good QB class at all... NEXT YEAR is the year to take one! The next year: This year's class is not great... no 1st rounders... NEXT YEAR is the year! Rinse and repeat. I agree that this always seems to be the case. You've got to take a shot here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I agree that this always seems to be the case. You've got to take a shot here and there. First a Spud and now a Hammer? What on earth is happening to this place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 First a Spud and now a Hammer? What on earth is happening to this place? An influx of awesomeness, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Just came across this on Pro Football talk: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/26/how-often-do-teams-draft-qbs-less-than-jets/ A little deceiving from a Bills standpoint. As OP pointed out, if you go back another 10 years our number jumps from 4 to 5. What is interesting about that list, is that there is no correlation between "Number of QBs Drafted" and overall team success. The Jets have drafted the most QBs in the NFL over the last decade (7), but are in worse shape than almost anybody at the position. The Broncos are second on the list with 6 QBs, but their only success came with the free agent pickup of Peyton Manning. The Browns and Rams have drafted 5 QBs, and both are still looking for answers. The Patriots have also drafted 5, but all have been backups to Tom Brady. Teams at the bottom of the list (all with 2 QBs drafted) include Atlanta, Seattle and Pittsburgh, who have all been in the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Teams at the bottom of the list (all with 2 QBs drafted) include Atlanta, Seattle and Pittsburgh, who have all been in the Super Bowl. Yep, because it is about talent evaluation as much as just taking shots. Atlanta, Seattle and Pittsburgh found their guys. The Bills have neither taken enough shots or evaluated talent at the position well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Hire the best QB scouts money can buy will increase the odds of finding a good QB. Hire the best QB coaches money can buy to develop him , someone like Peyton Edited March 27, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Yep, because it is about talent evaluation as much as just taking shots. Atlanta, Seattle and Pittsburgh found their guys. The Bills have neither taken enough shots or evaluated talent at the position well enough. I agree completely. Many Bills fans keep waiting on a "QB Savior" to rescue this franchise. They believe that if we tank for a season or two, then keep throwing darts, eventually we will get our Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson or Ben Roethlisberger. And then a Super Bowl is just around the corner. But it's going to take more than just a quarterback to completely turn things around. Quarterback is certainly the most important piece. But even if you get lucky and land an Andrew Luck, you still need a strong team around him to be a legitimate contender. The Colts are finding that out the hard way right now. They draft like crap, so there is only so much Luck can accomplish. Good teams are simply good teams. It's more than just luck. They consistently draft well. They make smart moves in free agency. They hire good coaches and good scouts. If a team is hoping to just hit the lottery jackpot with a quarterback, it won't be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) I agree completely. Many Bills fans keep waiting on a "QB Savior" to rescue this franchise. They believe that if we tank for a season or two, then keep throwing darts, eventually we will get our Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson or Ben Roethlisberger. And then a Super Bowl is just around the corner. But it's going to take more than just a quarterback to completely turn things around. Quarterback is certainly the most important piece. But even if you get lucky and land an Andrew Luck, you still need a strong team around him to be a legitimate contender. The Colts are finding that out the hard way right now. They draft like crap, so there is only so much Luck can accomplish. Good teams are simply good teams. It's more than just luck. They consistently draft well. They make smart moves in free agency. They hire good coaches and good scouts. If a team is hoping to just hit the lottery jackpot with a quarterback, it won't be enough. The Bills have demonstrated they can somewhat draft every position but QB. The constant 7-9 records proves this as well the last 10 years. With those records we are forced into a corner at BPA, which will happen again on a DB who in 4-5 years we will let walk again cause he plays to his draft position = Gilmore. When will the madness stop? How many coaches need to be fired? It's not that hard of a concept - 1. OLINE 2. QB 3. Then draft the way we have for the last 20 years (BPA) but add in more QB's to develop like the PATS have every 2-3 years. We actually have #1 in place for the most part for the 1st time in a very long time. We could use some help at RT but that can be fixed. I personally can give a rats ass about #3 until #2 is fixed. I'm getting very thin with this team for the 1st time since becoming a fan during the 1983 season on due to this exact thread the OP started. Edited March 27, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Yep, because it is about talent evaluation as much as just taking shots. Atlanta, Seattle and Pittsburgh found their guys. The Bills have neither taken enough shots or evaluated talent at the position well enough. Seattle and Pittsburgh created situations which asked very little of Ben & Wilson starting out, allowed them to have success early in their careers and then eventually flipped to them leading the team. Brady was the same thing. Rodgers was allowed several years of development before stepping right into a playoff team. Dak and Carr look like guys with talent who were put in positions to succeed due to the talent around them. I believe over the last 20 years there have been several highly drafted QBs across the league who had all the talent in the world and would have been franchise guys but were put in situations that prevented them from succeeding, due both to coaching and the talent around them. Our offensive line talent now is as good as it's been since the days of Hull leading the line, and we still have a hole at right tackle. We've lacked talent at WR for years, we've always had 1 "guy" and below average talent around him other than a couple of years with Moulds and Price then Moulds and Evans, those have been some of our closest playoff chances. We haven't had a tight end with talent that could even flirt with a Pro Bowl for decades. We had one run under Schwartz where our defense was good enough to win games by themselves, but Rex made sure to wreck that. Our failing at QB has as much to do (or more) with our failings across the entire roster as it has to do with the lack of using draft picks on them. We simply haven't been in a position to allow a young QB to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Seattle and Pittsburgh created situations which asked very little of Ben & Wilson starting out, allowed them to have success early in their careers and then eventually flipped to them leading the team. Brady was the same thing. Rodgers was allowed several years of development before stepping right into a playoff team. Dak and Carr look like guys with talent who were put in positions to succeed due to the talent around them. I believe over the last 20 years there have been several highly drafted QBs across the league who had all the talent in the world and would have been franchise guys but were put in situations that prevented them from succeeding, due both to coaching and the talent around them. Our offensive line talent now is as good as it's been since the days of Hull leading the line, and we still have a hole at right tackle. We've lacked talent at WR for years, we've always had 1 "guy" and below average talent around him other than a couple of years with Moulds and Price then Moulds and Evans, those have been some of our closest playoff chances. We haven't had a tight end with talent that could even flirt with a Pro Bowl for decades. We had one run under Schwartz where our defense was good enough to win games by themselves, but Rex made sure to wreck that. Our failing at QB has as much to do (or more) with our failings across the entire roster as it has to do with the lack of using draft picks on them. We simply haven't been in a position to allow a young QB to succeed. I don't believe this at all. Name these QBs, because I can't think of one. This is why I wished the Bills didn't sign Taylor. I think fans are feeling satisfied at the QB position, when there's a really bad QB situation that's only going to get twice as worse once the aging QBs retire the next two years and this franchise is now fighting with 10-12 NFL teams looking for a franchise QB instead of the normal 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 1996-2016 Cardale Jones, Rd 4 2016 EJ Manuel, Rd 1 2013 Levi Brown, Rd 7 2010 Trent Edwards, Rd 3 2007 JP Losman, Rd 1 2001 How pathetic, if you don't try you will never find a QB. Only 2 in the first round. None of them have or will pan out. Bills no playoffs. No need to look any further. Without a stud QB teams in the NFL lose. Great post. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 They drafted 4 QBs while they had Kim Kelly... Something doesn't make sense. Sure it does, since Polian left the front office sucks at evaluating QB's. This really isn't that hard to figure out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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