oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 And the world will end if we don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Still massive inaccurate information in this thread which really disservices Bills fans who would like to learn more about comp picks work The Seattle K was a unrestricted free agent, not a released player The current count is we lost 4 FA's and we signed 5 FA's We lost Gilmore, Woods, McCray, and Goodwin We gained Poyer, Hyde, Ducasse, Dimarco, the K Yes Tolbert was a released player We are currently negative one and are currently not getting any comp picks for losing Gilmore and or Woods and likely Brown This is undisputible fact Next, the post which claimed the max number of comp picks is two is also factually incorrect Denver, Cincy, and Cleveland got 4 last year, we got none But to DW's credit we did get 2 nice one's in 2015 which resulted in drafting C Jones and K Seymour Finally, the last post that said more Bills will end on other rosters is also misleading, yes it 'could' happen, fingers crossed it does However if they sign after Jun 1st we don't get the credit I repeat for current number, negative one, stays 200% factual, as of today Unless things change we are not getting 2018 comp picks jc And the point of focusing on this 72 hours into FA is...what? Also, I had to laugh at the "let's be technically accurate" nature of this post that includes the statement "200% factual" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 FAs signed : 5 FAs lost or locks to lose: 5 Gilmore Woods Goodwin McCray Brown FAs I'd be shocked if they weren't signed: 5 Hunter Tate Bryant Douzable Blanton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) FAs signed : 5 FAs lost or locks to lose: 5 Gilmore Woods Goodwin McCray Brown FAs I'd be shocked if they weren't signed: 5 Hunter Tate Bryant Douzable Blanton You know if we re-sign them, they don't count? Edited March 12, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I think he means signed by someone else. I think Blanton, Douzable and Hunter are all 50/50 to get picked up. Brown and Bryant definitely will and Tate probably will get a job on the basis of his return game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 This thread has so much stupid in it, I had to get IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I cannot disagree that the Hyde signing, if replacing NRC, and the Dimarco signing replacing Felton, and the K signing replacing Carpenter Are all solid upgrades DW deserves credit for bringing these players in Ditto Tolbert, Lorax, and the Colton cut/sign isn't affecting our draft picks negatively Well maybe there's a point to be made about allowing Lorax to sign elsewhere but we need starting players Nobody here said don't sign any FA's especially ours However I think its fair to question the Poyer and Ducasse depth signings They are currently costing us 2018 high draft picks which could produce 4 year starters/depth 2018-2021 at much lower fixed 4 year salaries Not to mention DW could use these picks for trades and moving up in the draft NE is.... jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Power could be a starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I think this is an interesting topic to keep watch of. I'd like to get the high end comp picks for Gilmore and Woods. Another factor in teams like NE and BAL always getting comp picks is that they consistently have UFAs that other teams want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Power could be a starter? Poyer played well last year for the Browns before the injury. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up a decent starter here. Edited March 12, 2017 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Power could be a starter? Poyer will be starting safety. Hyde will probably float between nickel corner, FS & CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Apparently you don't understand how compensatory picks work.... we will still get Comp picks Understanding how the compensatory pick system works isn't as simple as how many people you lost vs the number you acquired... there is a fancy top secret equation that they must have to rate the players you lost and ge players you signed and the contracts signed by the players... if you lose 3 players and they all sign big contracts, and you bring in 4 people who sign basically minimum contracts, you're getting Comp picks.... to say that we lost 4 people and gained 5, so we aren't going to get a Comp pick is just crazy talk.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Apparently you don't understand how compensatory picks work.... we will still get Comp picksUnderstanding how the compensatory pick system works isn't as simple as how many people you lost vs the number you acquired... there is a fancy top secret equation that they must have to rate the players you lost and ge players you signed and the contracts signed by the players... if you lose 3 players and they all sign big contracts, and you bring in 4 people who sign basically minimum contracts, you're getting Comp picks.... to say that we lost 4 people and gained 5, so we aren't going to get a Comp pick is just crazy talk.... This isn't true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1) You never go through FA with the assumption of "oh, this will net us a pick next year". The NFL has simply been too inconsistent in handing them out. The fact that you think the NFL hands out compensatory picks in an arbitrary manner that isn't based upon a formula teams can follow in order to maximize their draft potential really illustrates the ignorance of the people in here who are completely dismissive of gaining free draft picks. It's like you guys would be perfectly happy filling out our roster with journeyman scrubs by trading away all of our draft picks. That's not how good teams are built. Yes, we have a lot of holes to fill. That would be a lot easier to do if we had two extra picks every year like quality teams do. Retaining compensatory picks also does not prevent us from signing players after June 1 without penalty. Nobody we have signed would be worth the draft picks we may lose, and they would be easily replaced by players who can be signed after June 1. If Whaley had managed to sign any of the top tier free agents we were led to believe they were targeting, maybe you guys would have a leg to stand on. But he didn't sign anyone valuable and he is also risking losing valuable draft picks. Free agency isn't over, so we don't actually know if we will still get compensatory picks, but as of now we have given up two quality draft picks and we still have a lot of holes due to poor management. I don't see how some of you are so accepting of this repeated behavior that has resulted in 17 years of futility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Corey White and Jerome Felton are 2 more guys I'd expect to sign with other teams also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Yes, we have a lot of holes to fill. That would be a lot easier to do if we had two extra picks every year like quality teams do. Retaining compensatory picks also does not prevent us from signing players after June 1 without penalty. Nobody we have signed would be worth the draft picks we may lose, and they would be easily replaced by players who can be signed after June 1. If Whaley had managed to sign any of the top tier free agents we were led to believe they were targeting, maybe you guys would have a leg to stand on. But he didn't sign anyone valuable and he is also risking losing valuable draft picks. As I pointed out earlier in the thread... prior to this years comp picks being handed out the Bills were one of the top 10 teams with the most comp picks. Other "quality" teams in the top 10: Detroit San Fran LA Rams Tennessee Dallas Philly Denver, with their 3 SBs since 1994, has 20 comp picks in that time, less than what the Bills have had. There are a lot of teams around the amount the Bills have historically in terms of comp picks and there are the Ravens, who are in a league of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Still so much mis-information Sorry Cletus you are factually incorrect Yes, 1994 the Ravens have the most picks, until recently the Browns have had the least As part of their building program they had 7 alone in the last two years It's a legit way the NFL designed to help teams that lose high profile FA's to get compensation It's a real head shaker why folks here don't want compensation But of course if you have a chance to sign a real starter, an impact player, nobody is suggesting not signing any FA's Just not signing fringe depth players in lieu of a 3rd and 4th round 2018 pick Our waiting until Jun 1st or signing other released players, not pure UFA's jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Reading this all it seems clear that no one completely understands the topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I agree with R00-- guess someone missed his calling. Should have been a GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 So we had 22 FAs this year, right? I'm assuming not all of those factor into our comp pick calculation.... If you sign a guy for 1 year and then he bolts in FA does that count? Losing guys you drafted like Gilmore and Woods is obvious, and not counting re-signing your own guys, how does the rest factor out? But yeah, if signing Poyer, DiMarco and Philly Brown cancels out Gilmore, Woods, and Goodwin, and we get no, or only 7th round picks, that would not be so wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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