Trump and Russia

[Koko78]

55 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Yes, the first item is the fourth. Hence "add this trespass to the others."

 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/shadowy-pro-russia-advocacy-group-behind-attacks-cias-haspel/

 

GRU, FSB, and SVR don't want Haspel. Why? Because former leaders like Panetta, Hayden, Brennan (as well as Mueller and Comey at FBI) have gutted HUMINT capabilities in Russia, China, and elsewhere. Haspel will rebuild our HUMINT capabilities, it's her number one goal... and Putin does not want to see that happen. 

 

But Trump nominated her, despite Putin and his intelligence services wanting anyone but her to take the post... 

 

Should be seeing that tinkle tape be released any day now, right?  

Edited May 9, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[Deranged Rhino]

 

That Kompromat should be coming any day now.... right? 

[B-Man]

[row_33]

Dems are so incompetent and sleazy that any illegal activity is just smiled away, like you would when a slow kid farting at the dinner table

[njbuff]

16 hours ago, row_33 said:

Dems are so incompetent and sleazy that any illegal activity is just smiled away, like you would when a slow kid farting at the dinner table

 

Well put.

[B-Man]

As Mueller probe enters second year, Trump and allies go on war footing Washington Post, by Matt Zapotosky, Ashley Parker*

Original Article

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

As Mueller probe enters second year, Trump and allies go on war footing Washington Post, by Matt Zapotosky, Ashley Parker*

Original Article

 

started with nothing

 

has found nothing

 

pack it in

 

 

[Koko78]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

started with nothing

 

has found nothing

 

pack it in

 

 

 

That would be irresponsible. Mueller must turn over every irrelevant stone and manufacture some process crimes along the way, before he finally discharges his duties.

[njbuff]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

As Mueller probe enters second year, Trump and allies go on war footing Washington Post, by Matt Zapotosky, Ashley Parker*

Original Article

 

Did you read the comments section of that article.

 

My God those people are so clueless it isn't even funny.

[GaryPinC]

Well, here's an interesting little twist

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch?amp

[TakeYouToTasker]

16 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Well, here's an interesting little twist

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch?amp

 

Wait...  What?!?

[DC Tom]

50 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Wait...  What?!?

 

Greg already posted it in one of his threads.  As I said there...the Clinton/Iran connections are interesting.  

[Deranged Rhino]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Well, here's an interesting little twist

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch?amp

 

2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Wait...  What?!?

 

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Greg already posted it in one of his threads.  As I said there...the Clinton/Iran connections are interesting.  

 

Yeah, this is major news. I had my head buried today working on an ECW article so I am not even looking at it until tomorrow... but I'm pretty sure I'll have a lot to say. 
 

This is a bombshell. And Solomon says by tomorrow morning there will be more news. 

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Greg already posted it in one of his threads.  As I said there...the Clinton/Iran connections are interesting.  

 

Fully agreed.

[Deranged Rhino]

45 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Fully agreed.

 

It is... and it's also (for me) almost certain confirmation McCabe is in fact a Russian spy. 

 

Yeah. Sounds nuts. But it's not.

 

( GG you're going to love the crow I'll have to eat if this breaks the way I think it will.  )

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Greg already posted it in one of his threads.  As I said there...the Clinton/Iran connections are interesting.  

 

Imagine if Trump has Levinson already... (that's off the cuff as I'm reading this closer now).

[Deranged Rhino]

For anyone interested in doing their own digging, here are the texts that leaked from Warner and Waldman...

https://www.scribd.com/document/371101285/TEXTS-Mark-Warner-texted-with-Russian-oligarch-lobbyist-in-effort-to-contact-Christopher-Steele

(Waldman is one of Solomon's sources for the story and the attorney for Deripaska)

 

Where this is going (most likely) is that the FBI (McCabe) once again used Deripaska to fund Steele's dossier research. Waldman reps them both, by the way. Deripaska and Steele. Think that's a coincidence?

.... Another important thing to remember - Wray knows. The first minute or so is telling:

 

More: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-28 CEG to State +DHS (Deripaska visa records).pdf

Edited May 15, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[Deranged Rhino]

 

This is really nuts that we're finally going here. Tomorrow is going to be really interesting. 

[TakeYouToTasker]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

This is really nuts that we're finally going here. Tomorrow is going to be really interesting. 

 

McCabe as a Russian operative is going to require clear evidence, Greg.

 

Curious how you view this changing the final food chain, and who the big players are, and their direct roles.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

McCabe as a Russian operative is going to require clear evidence, Greg.

 

Curious how you view this changing the final food chain, and who the big players are, and their direct roles.

 

I'm riffin' off the cuff right now, I'll write it up more coherently as soon as I do a bit more digging. But there have long been rumors (without much evidence - but I'll grab some links when I can) that McCabe was compromised by SVR. The food chain is still global in nature, and uses elements from many different intelligence services. But if it turns out McCabe is a Russian agent, all that means is the DNC/Clinton campaign (who would be the bank which funneled money through a Russian oligarch to Steele so the FBI was clean for FISA purposes) paid/used a foreign intelligence asset - a spy - to falsify evidence used in a FISC hearing to spy on political opposition and (by extension) rig an election. And then in the aftermath of their loss, to execute a palace coup attempt...

 

... All that with the help/blessing of Brennan, Obama, Clapper, and their lieutenants. 

 

That's how you get sedition and treason. 

 

And then, as Tom said, if you play out the Iran/Clinton connections - and the role McCabe played in the original operation to free a CIA officer... things get even more treasonous and far reaching. Especially if, let's say, Clinton waived off the operation to free him (with McCabe running point in the field) because the Russians made her a better offer. And that CIA officer has been in a Russian - not Iranian prison for the past 11 years. 

 

The ripple effects of this (if it's right) are game over for the Mueller probe and the revelation of an actual coup attempt in part run by foreign intelligence services who penetrated the FBI Counter Intelligence Division. Worse - for the coup plotters - it would possibly expose both Clintons and even 44 to knowing who McCabe was working for and doing it anyway. 

 

Not because Russia is the top of the food chain, but because Clinton (and the network) needed her to win, Obama needed to secure his legacy, and she had history of working with Russian agents against the better interests of the nation, including McCabe in Iran, and trusted in an old reliable pal to land the haymaker and win the election. 

 

When that failed, and the whole network - including the big fish - realized how much they were exposed due to the efforts of men like Rogers and their own arrogance, they doubled down on a known (again, if it's right) foreign agent to undermine (at best)/overthrow a legally elected POTUS.  

It would literally be the entire "Russian collusion" narrative boomeranging back in Clinton and 44's and Brennan and Clapper's faces. 

 

How high up the damage would go now (again, if right,) could easily be higher than we've ever seen before. 

 

(Addendum: this being true would detonate the Senate probe too and rope in some of the Gang of Eight)

 

Edited May 15, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[outsidethebox]

Don't tell me about the labor pains, show me the baby!

I believe what DR says is true. When are we going to see Horowitz findings? I'm trying to be patient, but I want to see someone pay for these crimes.

[GG]

7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

( GG you're going to love the crow I'll have to eat if this breaks the way I think it will.  )

.

 

I was thinking of this while reading this op-ed (WSJ paywall).  The Evil Empire still hasn't faced up to the reconing for what they did in the 60's.  Does anyone still think the "spontaneous" leftist uprisings across the world in 1968 were a coincidence?  America's inner cities are still paying the price for the failed revolution, and the left refuses to recognize that they're still Stalin's useful idiots.

 

(BTW, maybe now you realize why Dulles embraced the Wehrmacht exiles in his covert war.  They were the lesser evil)

 

 

Quote

The Day la Terre Stood Still

...

France’s shutdown was, of course, involuntary. Things came to a halt because of a nationwide general strike, which began on May 2 with a student uprising in Nanterre. The unrest spread quickly to Paris and was inflamed irreversibly on May 6 when the police invaded the Sorbonne’s hallowed university precincts. Factory workers joined the movement later that week, and in a short time some 11 million people, 22% of the population, were on strike. Refineries shut down, denying the country fuel for cars and aircraft. Flights were canceled. Trains stopped running. Ports were closed.

...

 

My hired interpreter was more helpful in explaining the unrest. He said his fellow teachers were rebelling against the centralized management of the schools by the authorities in Paris. University students, he said, were fed up with an archaic system in which they were supposed to regard their professors as gods whose superior wisdom was never to be challenged. I noticed that the interpreter had a photograph of Lenin on his dining room wall. Lenin was big in France in those days.

 

After I met Roger at the Meurice, he and I went to the Odeon Theatre, having heard that this was more or less the center of whatever it was we were witnessing. Sure enough, the Odeon was the scene of nonstop oratory about the meaning of revolution. There were Trotskyites, Maoists, Marxists and purveyors of many other isms. There were lectures from anticapitalists, anticonsumerists and even anticommunists. The show was nonstop, 24/7. I theorized that the reason the French love to discuss revolution so much is because the one in 1789 didn’t turn out so well. Perhaps the thought buried in the French psyche is “next time we’ll get it right.”

...

Quote

 

 

 

[row_33]

Boomers wound up being the most entitled fat cats ever

 

[snafu]

7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I'm riffin' off the cuff right now, I'll write it up more coherently as soon as I do a bit more digging. But there have long been rumors (without much evidence - but I'll grab some links when I can) that McCabe was compromised by SVR. The food chain is still global in nature, and uses elements from many different intelligence services. But if it turns out McCabe is a Russian agent, all that means is the DNC/Clinton campaign (who would be the bank which funneled money through a Russian oligarch to Steele so the FBI was clean for FISA purposes) paid/used a foreign intelligence asset - a spy - to falsify evidence used in a FISC hearing to spy on political opposition and (by extension) rig an election. And then in the aftermath of their loss, to execute a palace coup attempt...

 

... All that with the help/blessing of Brennan, Obama, Clapper, and their lieutenants. 

 

That's how you get sedition and treason. 

 

And then, as Tom said, if you play out the Iran/Clinton connections - and the role McCabe played in the original operation to free a CIA officer... things get even more treasonous and far reaching. Especially if, let's say, Clinton waived off the operation to free him (with McCabe running point in the field) because the Russians made her a better offer. And that CIA officer has been in a Russian - not Iranian prison for the past 11 years. 

 

The ripple effects of this (if it's right) are game over for the Mueller probe and the revelation of an actual coup attempt in part run by foreign intelligence services who penetrated the FBI Counter Intelligence Division. Worse - for the coup plotters - it would possibly expose both Clintons and even 44 to knowing who McCabe was working for and doing it anyway. 

 

Not because Russia is the top of the food chain, but because Clinton (and the network) needed her to win, Obama needed to secure his legacy, and she had history of working with Russian agents against the better interests of the nation, including McCabe in Iran, and trusted in an old reliable pal to land the haymaker and win the election. 

 

When that failed, and the whole network - including the big fish - realized how much they were exposed due to the efforts of men like Rogers and their own arrogance, they doubled down on a known (again, if it's right) foreign agent to undermine (at best)/overthrow a legally elected POTUS.  

It would literally be the entire "Russian collusion" narrative boomeranging back in Clinton and 44's and Brennan and Clapper's faces. 

 

How high up the damage would go now (again, if right,) could easily be higher than we've ever seen before. 

 

(Addendum: this being true would detonate the Senate probe too and rope in some of the Gang of Eight)

 

 

 

...and Trump is a Nazi authoritarian fascist.  So it is all okay.  Part of the resistance.  They're trying to save everyone.

And when the authoritarian fascist starts cracking heads, the resistance will say: "see, we told you he was a fascist".

 

 

 

[boyst]

10 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

This is really nuts that we're finally going here. Tomorrow is going to be really interesting. 

Is it interesting yet?  

[Albwan]

Reports Indicate Secret FBI and CIA Mole Spying on Trump Campaign

If this turns out to be true, wow.

It's no wonder the lefts reaction to trump winning,

its like cheating on a test expecting a 100, and getting

a 0 when you discover you have been caught, and screaming

denial and blaming everyone else to cover it up.

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Reports Indicate Secret FBI and CIA Mole Spying on Trump Campaign

If this turns out to be true, wow.

It's no wonder the lefts reaction to trump winning,

its like cheating on a test expecting a 100, and getting

a 0 when you discover you have been caught, and screaming

denial and blaming everyone else to cover it up.

 

not a zero, just that the pass rate was..... 270

 

and there was no conceivable roadmap whatsoever to 270....

 

still laughing...

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

5 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Reports Indicate Secret FBI and CIA Mole Spying on Trump Campaign

If this turns out to be true, wow.

It's no wonder the lefts reaction to trump winning,

its like cheating on a test expecting a 100, and getting

a 0 when you discover you have been caught, and screaming

denial and blaming everyone else to cover it up.

 

If McCabe is actually a Russian operative, as Greg now believes, this becomes even more problematic; as it means the former administration, along with the Clinton campaign, conspired with enemies of the state to help infiltrate our intelligence services and to rig a federal election.

 

That's the very definition of sedition and treason, and it's not hyperbolic at all to call for a gallows to be constructed.

Edited May 15, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[Deranged Rhino]

10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

If McCabe is actually a Russian operative, as Greg now believes, this becomes even more problematic; as it means the former administration, along with the Clinton campaign, conspired with enemies of the state to help infiltrate our intelligence services and to rig a federal election.

 

That's the very definition of sedition and treason, and it's not hyperbolic at all to call for a gallows to be constructed.

 

Absolutely.  

 

One quibble - just because I don't want to put all my chips on it yet - I'm still digging into McCabe/Russia. I think it's highly possible at the moment (his U1 involvement is especially damning in light of the newest revelations) but I don't want to marry myself to that conclusion quite yet because, as you said last night, it requires clear evidence. 

[GG]

33 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

If McCabe is actually a Russian operative, as Greg now believes, this becomes even more problematic; as it means the former administration, along with the Clinton campaign, conspired with enemies of the state to help infiltrate our intelligence services and to rig a federal election.

 

That's the very definition of sedition and treason, and it's not hyperbolic at all to call for a gallows to be constructed.

And once again, the Homeland plot mirrors reality

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 

BTW, maybe now you realize why Dulles embraced the Wehrmacht exiles in his covert war.  They were the lesser evil

 

Strange bedfellows, and an odd observation by you if I may say so.

 

Admittedly my knowledge of immediate post-war Europe and the US is spotty, so I'd be grateful for any source material on that. Boring day at work.

 

[row_33]

Dulles, Duller, Dullest

 

[Deranged Rhino]

40 minutes ago, GG said:

And once again, the Homeland plot mirrors reality

 

I know no one probably believes it, but I haven't watched it since season 3. But you (and others) have been saying this for the past few years so I definitely need to go back and catch up. 

[njbuff]

Wouldn't it be a kick in the ass that when this thing is done Mueller throws us all fastball and indicts people on the left instead of Trump and his team.

 

Could that ever happen? One wonders.

[GG]

49 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Strange bedfellows, and an odd observation by you if I may say so.

 

Admittedly my knowledge of immediate post-war Europe and the US is spotty, so I'd be grateful for any source material on that. Boring day at work.

 

 

This is like trying to answer the "did you stop beating your wife?" question.

 

So here's the imperfect answer in how I rank the two evils.

 

Nazi evil is much easier to conceptualize and wrap into the history books because the genocide was specific in its targets, the rhetoric behind the ethnic cleansing was thoroughly invalidated and destroyed by the victors and the country perpetrating the horrors has atoned for the sins.   

 

The Soviet ideology, on the other hand has not gone through any sort of reckoning, still has avid admirers around the world who insist that the only problem about socialism is that it wasn't done right (to me the analogy would be Nazi defenders saying that the ovens weren't hot enough).   

 

The good people of the world rose up to Nazis, because it was the raging, in your face evil, instead of the more slow decay of socialism that destroys the world.

 

Yet, when you look at how the two evils affected the world in the last 100 years, Leninism has caused far greater damage to humanity than Nazism. 

 

(And of course, I need to add the usual disclaimer for the gatortards of the world - the Earth would be a far better place if neither of the two heinous evils ever saw the light of day)

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

This is like trying to answer the "did you stop beating your wife?" question.

 

So here's the imperfect answer in how I rank the two evils.

 

Nazi evil is much easier to conceptualize and wrap into the history books because the genocide was specific in its targets, the rhetoric behind the ethnic cleansing was thoroughly invalidated and destroyed by the victors and the country perpetrating the horrors has atoned for the sins.   

 

The Soviet ideology, on the other hand has not gone through any sort of reckoning, still has avid admirers around the world who insist that the only problem about socialism is that it wasn't done right (to me the analogy would be Nazi defenders saying that the ovens weren't hot enough).   

 

The good people of the world rose up to Nazis, because it was the raging, in your face evil, instead of the more slow decay of socialism that destroys the world.

 

Yet, when you look at how the two evils affected the world in the last 100 years, Leninism has caused far greater damage to humanity than Nazism. 

 

(And of course, I need to add the usual disclaimer for the gatortards of the world - the Earth would be a far better place if neither of the two heinous evils ever saw the light of day)

 

I don't disagree with you there. Was wondering if you had a source on Dulles and his postwar activities?

 

[GG]

5 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I don't disagree with you there. Was wondering if you had a source on Dulles and his postwar activities?

 

 

Sorry was getting to that.

 

You have to recall that the West always looked at Leninism/Stalinism as the pure evil that they were, and the only reason that they allowed Hitler to rearm was the misguided belief that he would be the bulwark against Stalin.    Although that plan failed miserably, after the war Dulles recruited the "good?" Nazis to keep USSR at bay in East Europe.   

 

The corollary was Bush's mistake to completely dismantle Saddam's forces, and look where it got us.  There's a good chance that would have happened in post-war Germany if the entire Wehrmach was sent packing.

 

BTW, the source is Greggy's speculation that Dulles employed former Nazis in the West European theater and he had JFK killed because JFK was going to out him.  Won't speculate on the assassination theory, but it's not debatable that NATO relied on former Nazis after the war.

Edited May 15, 2018 by GG

[Koko78]

3 hours ago, GG said:

 

This is like trying to answer the "did you stop beating your wife?" question.

 

That's easy to answer. "Sir, I stopped beating my wife the same day you stopped raping young children."

[row_33]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 

Sorry was getting to that.

 

You have to recall that the West always looked at Leninism/Stalinism as the pure evil that they were, and the only reason that they allowed Hitler to rearm was the misguided belief that he would be the bulwark against Stalin.    Although that plan failed miserably, after the war Dulles recruited the "good?" Nazis to keep USSR at bay in East Europe.   

 

The corollary was Bush's mistake to completely dismantle Saddam's forces, and look where it got us.  There's a good chance that would have happened in post-war Germany if the entire Wehrmach was sent packing.

 

BTW, the source is Greggy's speculation that Dulles employed former Nazis in the West European theater and he had JFK killed because JFK was going to out him.  Won't speculate on the assassination theory, but it's not debatable that NATO relied on former Nazis after the war.

 

Communism and lesser collectivist views were seen as a viable alternative lifestyle in the West during the Depression and well after WW2.  

 

Political parties and shadow movements, often holding high government and civil service places were pro-Communist.

 

Many switched over to conservative views after this era, the new-cons as they were defined until the 1990s.

 

 

Edited May 15, 2018 by row_33

[DC Tom]

27 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Communism and lesser collectivist views were seen as a viable alternative lifestyle in the West during the Depression and well after WW2.  

 

 

 

As were fascist views.