BringBackFergy Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 From the responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I'm a union worker in a right to work state. In other words, I have the freedom to choose. Making the entire nation "right to work" gives everyone that same freedom of choice. Are the lefties actually going to forget one of their most strident slogans just because we're not talking about abortion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) I'm a union worker in a right to work state. In other words, I have the freedom to choose. Making the entire nation "right to work" gives everyone that same freedom of choice. Are the lefties actually going to forget one of their most strident slogans just because we're not talking about abortion? Yes. Because choice is too important to be left to the individual, because Trump. #antifa Edited February 5, 2017 by DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Yes. Because choice is too important to be left to the individual, because Trump. #antifa I figured it was just another iteration of the classic "keep the government out of my bedroom but allow them free reign in other peoples' wallets" dichotomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I figured it was just another iteration of the classic "keep the government out of my bedroom but allow them free reign in other peoples' wallets" dichotomy. No, we've moved on to overt "People who disagree with me are too stupid to take care of themselves" territory now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 The last project I worked on removed 220,000 kWh a year from the customers electric usage or the equivalency of 164,000 pounds of coal burned in one year. That's a CO2 reduction of 155 metric tons. Smoking doesn't cause cancer says 1 "doctor" out of 100. So D.C. Tom & LA Bills fan start smoking. Oh, gee. Look. Another report of people exaggerating global warming cooling climate change numbers for, ummm, billions. The difference between smoking causing cancer and global warming cooling climate change is that there are irrefutable facts about how smoking causes cancer. Whereas global warming cooling climate change scientists are always getting caught making things sound DIRE so they can bring in billions and billions of dollars to do nothing but make more fake reports. And idiots like you fall for it. All day. Every day. I bet you even believe that all the terror in the ME is caused by global warming cooling climate change, don't you? C'mon. Admit it. It's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg F Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Average of Right to Work states purchase power = $107.43 Average of non-Right to Work states purchase power = $98.31 That extra 3.2% is not looking very attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 No, we've moved on to overt "People who disagree with me are too stupid to take care of themselves" territory now... In other words we've "moved on" to the same damned thing the left has believed for the last 30+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Average of Right to Work states purchase power = $107.43 Average of non-Right to Work states purchase power = $98.31 That extra 3.2% is not looking very attractive. But it's an empirical fact, dammit! EMPIRICAL!! It has to be because global warming cooling climate change is believed by a 99% consensus of all crowd scientists!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 In other words we've "moved on" to the same damned thing the left has believed for the last 30+ years. No, the "who disagree with me" part is new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 My biggest B word with unions is their right to strike, especially the public sector unions. No group of individuals (non-stakeholders) should have the right or the power to shut down or slow down the productivity of an organization IMO. To me the future of unions should center more around member training helping to make union members preferred hires due to a better skill level than those that may not be as well trained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 No, the "who disagree with me" part is new. A "snowflake factor"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 PART OF THE GENERAL BLUE-TO-RED JOB MIGRATION: Boeing isn’t a story of jobs disappearing. They’re just moving to South Carolina. “So 1800 workers in Washington are finding themselves unemployed. At the same time, more than 3000 people in the Palmetto State have gone to work, begun training and started pumping new life into the economy. So why aren’t the two unions in Washington who are making this doleful announcement talking about that story? I’m just taking a shot in the dark here, but it might be because South Carolina is a right to work state and the union has already been roundly rejected by the workers there.” And the press won’t debunk them because that would step on an anti-Trump storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diesel-USMC Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 If people spent more time thinking and less time..... You know what, nevermind. Most of you summed it up quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Hey Nut...look on the bright side. The income of union workers can go up over $2K a year now that they're not forced to give that money to the union. So some of them will actually get a raise! Plus, it's always been a liberal demand to get big business money out of political campaigns. Buy reducing the amount that unions are able to shake down from employees, this definitely helps reduce the role that big companies like SEIU plays in getting people elected. Sounds like a great idea. You should be thrilled with it. Oh, wait. Let me guess. How can we help the average working joe if we can't force him to belong to our group and pay us money to have a job? Yeah. Shoulda known. Really right to work states cause workers to get shafted. PS also union health insurance lots cheaper than outta pocket costs of employer owned or run insurance cos. Workers get the shaft then in missourri. Would have agreed till i had to join a union and now wont work at a scab shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 When I hear Union I think Jobs Bank- and how ridiculous that concept really is.... and recall in 2007 when America auto makers were on the brink and Union leadership wouldn't budge... let labor markets figure it out, it's the most effiecent way... If people spent more time thinking and less time..... You know what, nevermind. Most of you summed it up quite nicely. Diesel makes it over from BBMB- I'll be dipped in ****.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Really right to work states cause workers to get shafted. PS also union health insurance lots cheaper than outta pocket costs of employer owned or run insurance cos. Workers get the shaft then in missourri. Would have agreed till i had to join a union and now wont work at a scab shop. No. I am a union employee in a right to work state. I earn the highest non-management wage in the company - an extremely large company that everyone is familiar with. Every few years we have negotiations, we eventually get a new, good contract, and I only had to strike once - for two days. Right to work does not prevent unions from either existing or helping advocate for the employee. What right to work does is hold the union's feet to the fire to make sure the employees are well trained and keep the wages and benefits from becoming inflated to the point of being impractical. When you're a business in a right to work state, a company with a unionized workforce must still be competitive with non-union companies - ultimately that competition still works for the consumer. Another way to look at it is having the freedom to choose. Right to work does not eliminate unions, it only allows non-union companies to enter into competition. Choice is always good. Competition is always good. Everyone benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 No. I am a union employee in a right to work state. I earn the highest non-management wage in the company - an extremely large company that everyone is familiar with. Every few years we have negotiations, we eventually get a new, good contract, and I only had to strike once - for two days. Right to work does not prevent unions from either existing or helping advocate for the employee. What right to work does is hold the union's feet to the fire to make sure the employees are well trained and keep the wages and benefits from becoming inflated to the point of being impractical. When you're a business in a right to work state, a company with a unionized workforce must still be competitive with non-union companies - ultimately that competition still works for the consumer. Another way to look at it is having the freedom to choose. Right to work does not eliminate unions, it only allows non-union companies to enter into competition. Choice is always good. Competition is always good. Everyone benefits. It depends as long as right to unionize is protected... in a lot of places even in NY it isnt always done. True Unions can become unresponsive, not good... to me though unless anti-trust laws are enforced im not sure right to work is good plus does the earning power calcs include health insurance purchases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Diesel-USMC Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 When I hear Union I think Jobs Bank- and how ridiculous that concept really is.... and recall in 2007 when America auto makers were on the brink and Union leadership wouldn't budge... let labor markets figure it out, it's the most effiecent way... Diesel makes it over from BBMB- I'll be dipped in ****.... Hello B! Good to see you. I made it and it's been fun so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 It depends as long as right to unionize is protected... in a lot of places even in NY it isnt always done. True Unions can become unresponsive, not good... to me though unless anti-trust laws are enforced im not sure right to work is good plus does the earning power calcs include health insurance purchases? A right to work state recognizes the right to unionize. Unlike other states, you are not forced to join a union just to work. With regard to pay and benefits, there are many unions, each with their own contracts and negotiations. Some are more powerful than others. Speaking for myself, I make about 35% more in hourly wage than telecom techs make working for companies with a non-unionized workforce, and I have excellent health insurance provided to me free of charge. The drawback of a unionized workforce is that it creates a very real "us vs them" mentality between labor and management, which I believe is detrimental to the business, and ultimately to the customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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