Boatdrinks Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 This isn't hockey dude. Yes. This + 1000000000. " Tanking" isn't a strategy in football. It's much more difficult to project if a top QB prospect is going to translate to the pro game because the College game is just different. The top Hockey prospect has a greater track record of NHL success than top college QBs in the NFL. You have to identify and draft the right guy and the #1 pick isn't necessarily a key to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 A 17 year playoff drought isn't enough to try a different strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 QB or no QB. Superbowl Winning Quarterbacks: Montana -4 Bradshaw -4 Brady -4 Aikman-3 Manning, P -2 Manning E-2 Plunkett -2 Griese-2 Staubach-2 Big Ben-2 Elway-2 Starr-2 McMahon-1 Rypien-1 Simms-1 Young-1 Wilson-1 Flacco-1 Brees-1 Rodgers -1 Stabler-1 Johnson-1 Hostetler-1 Dawson-1 Williams-1 Dilfer-1 Theismann-1 Favre-1 Warner-1 Unitas-1 Namath-1 Bills need an elite Franchise QB. Other teams manage to find them. Instead, OBD's goal is to make the wildcard game and when they don't, they keep telling everybody how close they are. TBR I have no idea what you are trying to point out here? QB's are a part of the team and win SB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'm trying to point out that, teams have to build around an elite Franchise QB, if they want to win long term. Look at those names and you'll see that 80% are Franchise Type Blue Chip QB's. A few game managers, but not many. If you don't have the Franchise guy, and you haven't made the playoffs in 17 years, perhaps OBD should do whatever it takes to land one. OBD's job, and they haven't done it for the last 17 years is to find him. Most easily done by drafting at, or near the top of the board. That might require a TBR. Otherwise, 20 years looks realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 there were 11 teams who averaged 230 or less -until you get to Buffalo 4 of the 11 had winning records 3 of the 8 teams who threw over 260 per game had winning records including washington at 8-7-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 How many of them missed the playoffs for 17 straight seasons - not counting Buffalo? TBR. Find the guy, and draft him. Easier to do it at, or near the top of the Board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dear Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Why does everyone think it's an either or proposition? Nothing is stopping the Biils from keeping TT AND drafting a QB. It seems like the most reasonable strategy. No pressure to start the rookie, if they think they have hit the jackpot, they can trade TT who has a reasonable contract for a mid level starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Good point. If they don't hit the jackpot, they need to pull the lever again until they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 keep TT & draft a qb on first or second day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Good point. If they don't hit the jackpot, they need to pull the lever again until they do. I don't disagree that they need to gear up to get a franchise guy but it is a surgical approach. It isn't a situation where you just keep throwing darts and hoping to eventually hit the bullseye. Swinging often severely limits the talent on the rest of your roster. Even if you hit after a few tries you are the Colts. A team that has a franchise QB and one of the worst rosters in football. You need to identify THE guy and get him. You can't waste substantial valuable resources. You can afford a couple of 1sts but no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Going back to Johnnie Unitas isnt showing us anything just like going back to Trent Dilfer isnt showing anything. Rothlisberger 123yds 2 picks and they won doesn't mean --SEE you need a great qb or Brady's 149 in his first super bowl. Franchise qb's like Elway 10-26-2-108 or 12-22-1-123 I have my franchise qb where's my trophy. Denver JUST won it with great D and a game manager last year, Seattle great D and a running game two years prior, Baltimore with a great D and Special teams prior to that. Giants and pinning a ball to his helmet catch before that - if he drops it Eli isn't a good qb? He made the kick great qb he missed it bad qb- it's flat out stupid. We want a formula and there isn't one, chasing the great qb. Brees won a super bowl 8 years ago still clinging to it, while the last 5 years hes looking at a 39-40 record, doing that familiar 7-9 thing 4 of the last 5 years - we know as Bills fans so well. Phillip Rivers some think he's going to hall of fame in the last 8 years one season of double digit wins. His career record averages out to 8.8-7.1 Rodgers is fun to watch with an unbelievable arm he has 1 super bowl appearance. Ben Rothlisberger can't beat Brady either. Brady's teams on defense oh they were pretty good for HIS super bowl wins ranking 6-1-2-8 or Rothlisberger 4th and 1st..Manning last year Broncos 1st. I know that doesn't matter. The year Rodgers won GB defense ranking ? 1st Greatest show on Turf Warner 4th the great Brett Farve's only SB win Packers defense rank -1st. Aikman had to do it with a crappy defense ranked 2nd and 5th. Hidden Joe Montana stat 49ers defensive ranking 2-1-3. Giants with Eli had terrible defensive ranked teams but what happened in the games? Greatest offensive scoring team ever held to 17, unbeatable undefeated team held to 14 Edited January 30, 2017 by CardinalScotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 And the Bills have been kicking the tires on game manager QB's for 17 years. It's time for the Franchise guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QB or no QB. Superbowl Winning Quarterbacks: Montana -4 Bradshaw -4 Brady -4 Aikman-3 Manning, P -2 Manning E-2 Plunkett -2 Griese-2 Staubach-2 Big Ben-2 Elway-2 Starr-2 McMahon-1 Rypien-1 Simms-1 Young-1 Wilson-1 Flacco-1 Brees-1 Rodgers -1 Stabler-1 Johnson-1 Hostetler-1 Dawson-1 Williams-1 Dilfer-1 Theismann-1 Favre-1 Warner-1 Unitas-1 Namath-1 Bills need an elite Franchise QB. Other teams manage to find them. Instead, OBD's goal is to make the wildcard game and when they don't, they keep telling everybody how close they are. TBR Agreed. Play this game for a championship or don't bother IMO. With very rare exceptions, a FQB is a necessary piece. It's not sufficient to get you one, but it makes it possible. The real problem this season is finding one. This is a rough QB class, but there may actually be some talent available in FA or via trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Going back to Johnnie Unitas isnt showing us anything just like going back to Trent Dilfer isnt showing anything. Rothlisberger 123yds 2 picks and they won doesn't mean --SEE you need a great qb or Brady's 149 in his first super bowl. Franchise qb's like Elway 10-26-2-108 or 12-22-1-123 I have my franchise qb where's my trophy. Denver JUST won it with great D and a game manager last year, Seattle great D and a running game two years prior, Baltimore with a great D and Special teams prior to that. Giants and pinning a ball to his helmet catch before that - if he drops it Eli isn't a good qb? He made the kick great qb he missed it bad qb- it's flat out stupid. We want a formula and there isn't one, chasing the great qb. Brees won a super bowl 8 years ago still clinging to it, while the last 5 years hes looking at a 39-40 record, doing that familiar 7-9 thing 4 of the last 5 years - we know as Bills fans so well. Phillip Rivers some think he's going to hall of fame in the last 8 years one season of double digit wins. His career record averages out to 8.8-7.1 Rodgers is fun to watch with an unbelievable arm he has 1 super bowl appearance. Ben Rothlisberger can't beat Brady either. Brady's teams on defense oh they were pretty good for HIS super bowl wins ranking 6-1-2-8 or Rothlisberger 4th and 1st..Manning last year Broncos 1st. I know that doesn't matter. The year Rodgers won GB defense ranking ? 1st Greatest show on Turf Warner 4th the great Brett Farve's only SB win Packers defense rank -1st. Aikman had to do it with a crappy defense ranked 2nd and 5th. Hidden Joe Montana stat 49ers defensive ranking 2-1-3. Giants with Eli had terrible defensive ranked teams but what happened in the games? Greatest offensive scoring team ever held to 17, unbeatable undefeated team held to 14 So.....you're saying defense wins championships? I totally agree. But, we need consistency at the QB position. TT gets it done, but for most of the games, there's a lot of 3 and outs due to terrible placed balls, inability to see open guys and a lack of balls to try to throw into coverage. Low interceptions is great if you're winning and making good throws. But, holding on to the ball doesn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QB or no QB. Superbowl Winning Quarterbacks: Montana -4 Bradshaw -4 Brady -4 Aikman-3 Manning, P -2 Manning E-2 Plunkett -2 Griese-2 Staubach-2 Big Ben-2 Elway-2 Starr-2 McMahon-1 Rypien-1 Simms-1 Young-1 Wilson-1 Flacco-1 Brees-1 Rodgers -1 Stabler-1 Johnson-1 Hostetler-1 Dawson-1 Williams-1 Dilfer-1 Theismann-1 Favre-1 Warner-1 Unitas-1 Namath-1 Bills need an elite Franchise QB. Other teams manage to find them. Instead, OBD's goal is to make the wildcard game and when they don't, they keep telling everybody how close they are. TBR Don't have the time or inclination to research how many of these QB's won a SB in their 1st or 2nd season as a starter which is what you think TT should have already done. Since you do have such time and inclination, can you show us that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Don't have the time or inclination to research how many of these QB's won a SB in their 1st or 2nd season as a starter which is what you think TT should have already done. Since you do have such time and inclination, can you show us that ? I don't think that's his point. He's just showing the caliber of QBs who have won championships. The importance of such a QB is obviously his point. There are obvious exceptions, but that means playing much slimmer odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 The goal is to win the Super Bowl. Easier to accomplish with a Franchise QB. The last time the Bills had one they went to four Super Bowls in a row. That's not just coincidence. The Franchise QB is part of the formula, in most cases, including this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Game Manager's get you Wild Card looks. Franchise QB's get you Super Bowl looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 So go get one. Until you have one, stick with a decent option in Tyrod and try and win with him. A reasonable take until you look at Taylor's contract. A team is better off moving on rather than way overpaying a QB that's only a decent option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 A reasonable take until you look at Taylor's contract. A team is better off moving on rather than way overpaying a QB that's only a decent option. is a twenty something pay salary ok for a decent option? because even decent qbs are hard to find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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