PeoriaAZBillsFan Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 He's Jennifer Garner in Draft Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 He's Jennifer Garner in Draft Day. Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Marcell Dareus is a tremendous player and we feel he has a great opportunity to reach his potential as a player and leader here with the Buffalo Bills," said Bills General Manager Doug Whaley. "I commend Bills Senior Vice President of Football Administration Jim Overdorf and Todd France, Marcell Dareus' agent, for completing this deal before the start of the 2015 season. I also thank Terry and Kim Pegula for being committed to our philosophy of retaining an All-Pro talent like Marcell Dareus." http://m.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Marcell-Dareus-signs-extension-with-Bills/5ab23cbe-421b-4f6f-8b73-835eef03b3c1 Just a cap guy right lol You really don't get it. He gets told we gave player x $5 billion dollars, work with his agent and fit it under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) You really don't get it. He gets told we gave player x $5 billion dollars, work with his agent and fit it under the cap.Yet every Report says otherwise Even out of the own GMs mouth. And reported structure that he doesnt report to Whaley he reports to Russ Sonwe have a GM that is in charge if nothing but scouting. Cool. HC reports to owner Contract guy reports to Russ Russ sets the football Budget (same thing Litman did) More Whaley said during an appearance on WGR 550. "But (Bills senior vice president of football operations) Jim Overdorf and (agent) David Dunn have had continuous conversations for a while now, so we hope something positive comes from that. Just a cap guy though lol Edited December 24, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) What specifically? From what I remember everyone expected him to have a cap hit of something north of 10 mil per year based on his contract with the eagles (cap hit of 9.7m, 45m and 20m guaranteed). After this season his dead cap space is less than his cap hit and we have pretty much gotten the best of him for at least this season and got him for a cap hit and salary less than he was making in Philly. Edited December 24, 2016 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Yet every Report says otherwise Even out of the own GMs mouth. And reported structure that he doesnt report to Whaley he reports to Russ Sonwe have a GM that is in charge if nothing but scouting. Cool. HC reports to owner Contract guy reports to Russ Russ sets the football Budget (same thing Litman did) Ya know I'm not going to get into this with you, your lucky to have a org chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 He's not just an accountant. Here's an article many on here may remember on last draft's war room...and with Overdorf negotiating our trade with Chicago. http://buffalobills.com/news/article-1/On-the-Clock---Inside-the-draft-room---How-value-and-need-aligned-for-the-Bills-/3f3d0d99-ba6e-4afc-994a-ed214208877d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) He's not just an accountant. Here's an article many on here may remember on last draft's war room...and with Overdorf negotiating our trade with Chicago. http://buffalobills.com/news/article-1/On-the-Clock---Inside-the-draft-room---How-value-and-need-aligned-for-the-Bills-/3f3d0d99-ba6e-4afc-994a-ed214208877d No just a cap guy lol Nevermind he negotiated the Lee Evans trade to Baltimore Edited December 24, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Yet every Report says otherwise Even out of the own GMs mouth. And reported structure that he doesnt report to Whaley he reports to Russ Sonwe have a GM that is in charge if nothing but scouting. Cool. HC reports to owner Contract guy reports to Russ Russ sets the football Budget (same thing Litman did) More Whaley said during an appearance on WGR 550. "But (Bills senior vice president of football operations) Jim Overdorf and (agent) David Dunn have had continuous conversations for a while now, so we hope something positive comes from that. Just a cap guy though lol You're still not getting it. Negotiating a contract and executing one are not the same thing. You seem to think Overdorf is deciding who to sign and pay basically on his own. And you're cherry picking quotes and misinterpreting them to attempt to support this. You can continue to rave, but you're not convincing anyone fyi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 You're still not getting it. Negotiating a contract and executing one are not the same thing. You seem to think Overdorf is deciding who to sign and pay basically on his own. And you're cherry picking quotes and misinterpreting them to attempt to support this. You can continue to rave, but you're not convincing anyone fyi. Not pay could care less. He does negotiate the internal clauses or lack there of (Dareus) Structure of contract ie bonuses and such. Not saying he is the final say on total value of the contract but all the minutiae of a contract he DOES negotiate and decide on. Keep thinking he is just a cap guy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 You're still not getting it. Negotiating a contract and executing one are not the same thing. You seem to think Overdorf is deciding who to sign and pay basically on his own. And you're cherry picking quotes and misinterpreting them to attempt to support this. You can continue to rave, but you're not convincing anyone fyi. But how do you separate him from responsibility for the roster if he's structuring contracts extensively I still don't get what those saying he is not a part of the discussion and sharing in responsibility (good and bad) think his job actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Not pay could care less. He does negotiate the internal clauses or lack there of (Dareus) Structure of contract ie bonuses and such. Not saying he is the final say on total value of the contract but all the minutiae of a contract he DOES negotiate and decide on. Keep thinking he is just a cap guy lol I never said he was "just a cap guy," nor do I even know what that means. I don't think Overdorf's job is limited to just calculating and managing salary cap issues, if that's what you're implying. He is involved in negotiating terms and conditions of player contracts. What he ain't doing is deciding to cut players or "not pay them" or whatever you're implying. He's not the one with the final say, never has been. He grinds the contracts out with the players' representatives based on what ownership and the football people have told him is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 From what I remember everyone expected him to have a cap hit of something north of 10 mil per year based on his contract with the eagles (cap hit of 9.7m, 45m and 20m guaranteed). After this season his dead cap space is less than his cap hit and we have pretty much gotten the best of him for at least this season and got him for a cap hit and salary less than he was making in Philly. He turned a 9.75m salary in year 1 into a 13m signing bonus. We've paid him more money to date than if we didn't do the deal and made it harder to walk away from him for more years but did lower his year 1 cap hit. I'm not saying it's bad but not sure you get what happened (genuinely not trying to be snarky with that, maybe it's me not getting your argument) I never said he was "just a cap guy," nor do I even know what that means. I don't think Overdorf's job is limited to just calculating and managing salary cap issues, if that's what you're implying. He is involved in negotiating terms and conditions of player contracts. What he ain't doing is deciding to cut players or "not pay them" or whatever you're implying. He's not the one with the final say, never has been. He grinds the contracts out with the players' representatives based on what ownership and the football people have told him is acceptable. Do you think he contributes to those discussions about what is acceptable? How heavily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 No just a cap guy lol Nevermind he negotiated the Lee Evans trade to Baltimore Correct. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/8/24/2381348/lee-evans-trade-buddy-nix-jim-overdorf "John Wawrow of The Associated Press published his annual Buffalo Bills team preview on Tuesday - which you can read here - and we've received a lot of inquiries regarding one line thrown in regarding the team's recent trade of receiver Lee Evans to Baltimore. Writes Wawrow of the trade (in which he discusses the different explanations GM Buddy Nix provided for the trade): "Nix didn't handle trade talks, leaving that job with Jim Overdorf, the team's salary cap specialist and senior vice president of football administration." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I never said he was "just a cap guy," nor do I even know what that means. I don't think Overdorf's job is limited to just calculating and managing salary cap issues, if that's what you're implying. He is involved in negotiating terms and conditions of player contracts. What he ain't doing is deciding to cut players or "not pay them" or whatever you're implying. He's not the one with the final say, never has been. He grinds the contracts out with the players' representatives based on what ownership and the football people have told him is acceptable. Go over all my posts and show me where i said he has the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Just when I thought this place couldn't be any more full of crap, this thread comes along and a new bar is set. You make it sound like a totally asinine discussion but unless I've missed something it seems like a relevant question for a fan that follows closely yet alone a casual one... I'd love more insight if you are privy to the working dynamic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) He turned a 9.75m salary in year 1 into a 13m signing bonus. We've paid him more money to date than if we didn't do the deal and made it harder to walk away from him for more years but did lower his year 1 cap hit. I'm not saying it's bad but not sure you get what happened (genuinely not trying to be snarky with that, maybe it's me not getting your argument) We got a guy for more money early and less cap hit later if he hit the point that most RB's hit and could cut ties with him. They did give him more money up front for sure but gave themselves relief since they probably expected a decline in play. At that point we had a good amount of cap to play with. Edited December 24, 2016 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 On contract he did that i have No issues with is McCoys. Dareus on the other hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Overdorf has been with the Bills for almost 30 years and has been handling contract negotiations for the team since the early 2000's according to this article http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d80663031/printable/bills-promote-overdorf-to-senior-vp-in-minor-restructuring from 2008. So how does he get a pass? All those contracts that have come down the line that make you scratch your head like Langston Walker and Derrick Dockery, this is the guy you can thank for those. I remember when we signed Chris Willimas and I was thinking to myself, this guy sucks. We are not really upgrading the guard position, just paying more for average to below average play. Why will Charles Clay have the 4th highest cap hit among tight ends in the NFL in 2017? Our boy Jimmy! How does a team with no franchise QB and a QB who took up I think $2.6 million in cap space during last off-season not have money to spend on free agents. We could have used help at the safety position but we had no money. So we had to go into the season with Aaron Williams who is very good but is always injured and was a question mark in training camp even to play in 2016. Corey Graham who is a decent player, but his best days are behind him. If you are rolling with him as your best safety, you are in trouble. Then we fill out that position with players who are borderline NFLer's. Don't believe me, please go back and take a look at the angle Blanton takes on the first big play by Le'Veon Bell in the Steelers game. The safety position killed this team this year. But back on topic. The biggest blunder off them all. Handing out a 6 year, $108 million contract, with $60 million guaranteed, $25 million up front, and absolutely no penalties or restrictions for criminal behavior or league sanctions, to a guy that had already been arrested on a drug charge and had already once been suspended by the league. Please, how is that acceptable on any level? And wouldn't you know, that player has turned out to be completely unreliable and in some ways a detriment to the team. You would like to have the option to trade him or cut him if he screws up again but you can't because his cap hit is $32 million in 2017, $16.5 million in 2018 and $7.8 million in 2019. I think it is a long shot that Dareus doesn't miss time due to something other than injury over these 3 years. I think it's 50/50 for him to start next season active. I love the Pegula's and I believe they have the greatest intentions. I am sure they will get better with time but so far they have done a pretty poor job running our favorite teams. They gave it a couple years, but now it is time to get serious and get rid of the relics. They did a good job getting rid of Littman but it wasn't enough. Overdorf has been around for the entire drought as well, and when you actually look at his track record it's pretty poor. I would like to get rid of Brandon as well but the Pegula's seem pretty intent on keeping him. Say what you want but he was the GM from the time Marv retired until the time Buddy took over and was the face of the organization for a few years. The drought is on him as much as anybody. For now though, can the Bills please show they have some sense of what they are doing and that the front office is not a complete **** show and get rid of this Overdorf guy? Please? Seriously? Now it's Overdorf who has to go? Do you know how a football organization operates? Or any business? What's next? The towel boy's gotta go? Ay caramba! This place gets daffier by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Seriously? Now it's Overdorf who has to go? Do you know how a football organization operates? Or any business? What's next? The towel boy's gotta go? Ay caramba! This place gets daffier by the day. You can call into question some of his contracts. But if you want to give him a pass for it fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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