Big Gun Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I haven't been around here for a couple of days, and the same nonsense is still going on. Tyrod has 20 TD's this season. McCoy has 13. Tyrod has the same amount, or more TD's than: Tannehill Dalton Russell Wilson Siemian Bradford Osweiler Kaep Wentz Alex Smith Fitzpatrick He is within 3 TD's or less of: Flacco Cam Stafford Carson Palmer Tom Brady Tyrod has the same amount, or more TD's than: Tannehill - who everyone says sucks. I think he is ok QB Dalton - see Tannehill Russell Wilson - hurt all year and having bad year Siemian - has had 12 starts Bradford - traded to new team this preseason Osweiler - sucks Kaep - sucks but has only started 9 games this year and still is only 1 TD pass behind Tyrod the great Wentz - rookie and has only 1 less TD pass the our savior Tyrod Alex Smith - jekyll and hyde guy Fitzpatrick - having horrible year So this is the list to compare the Great Tyrod with to justify his play and resigning him. OMG is CoT for real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 So I went and checked TT stats on ESPN and this is what I noticed: 1. 28th in passing with no one behind him who has started every game for their team. NOT ONE! 2. Taking his rushing yard and TD and adding that to his passing yards and TD he moves up to 21 in total yards and 17 in touchdowns. (This is WITHOUT adding rushing yards TD for people behind him.) 3. He is also the most sacked QB in the league with 40! So this tells me he is middle of the road for TDs and bottom 3rd for yards THIS YEAR and as a pure passer the stats say he is the WORST every day starter in the league THIS YEAR who also takes a lot of punishment back there. Where on ESPN are you getting your stats from? Link please. What passing stat is he ranked 28th for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Where on ESPN are you getting your stats from? Link please. What passing stat is he ranked 28th for? Total Yards he is 28th... with no one behind him started every game. Www.espn.com/NFL/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/YEAR/2016/seasontype/2 Hope the link works... Edited December 22, 2016 by PatsFanNH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Holy crap...it's a who's who of average or overrated QB's. With the exception of Russell, and maybe Wentz there's hardly a QB on that list any team would pine over. What are you trying to say here? We should be impressed that in 4 more games than Brady, he still only has 3 less touchdowns than him? Absolutely pathetic the lengths we'll go to to pretend someone is something they're not. The mere fact that this conversation is going on tells me he's not the answer, will never be the answer, and we'd be much off continuing the search for the next guy. Nice cherry pick job to discredit the poster you should be proud of yourself. Can you comment on the others mentioned with Brady that you conveniently ignored cause it didnt fit your agenda. Would you like any of them on your team? The means haters go to hate. Im sure you'll be rooting against the Bills this weekend cause it seems like you value looking right on some bulliten board over your teams winning. Sad really sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Nice cherry pick job to discredit the poster you should be proud of yourself. Can you comment on the others mentioned with Brady that you conveniently ignored cause it didnt fit your agenda. Would you like any of them on your team? The means haters go to hate. Im sure you'll be rooting against the Bills this weekend cause it seems like you value looking right on some bulliten board over your teams winning. Sad really sad.Flaccid and Cam are way down this year and Palmer always been over rated and a TO machine. Last year was the exception. I myself shocked about stafford, being that low but 1st year with no Megatron do that I guess. Edited December 22, 2016 by PatsFanNH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Tyrod has the same amount, or more TD's than: Tannehill - who everyone says sucks. I think he is ok QB Dalton - see Tannehill Russell Wilson - hurt all year and having bad year Siemian - has had 12 starts Bradford - traded to new team this preseason Osweiler - sucks Kaep - sucks but has only started 9 games this year and still is only 1 TD pass behind Tyrod the great Wentz - rookie and has only 1 less TD pass the our savior Tyrod Alex Smith - jekyll and hyde guy Fitzpatrick - having horrible year So this is the list to compare the Great Tyrod with to justify his play and resigning him. OMG is CoT for real! It's like arguing with a box of rocks. How many starting QB's are there in the NFL? I just listed 15 QB's that he either has more TD's or is really damn close to, in direct response to the poster saying that Tyrod isn't carrying this offense at all. Well if Tyrod isn't carrying this offense, what are the other 15 QB's above doing? Nobody is saying he's elite. Nobody. Nobody is saying he's even in the top 10. Nobody. What people like me are saying is that he's the perfect fit for this offense. An offense that ranks top 10 in scoring for two years running. Get over yourself with that CoT bull ****. Edited December 22, 2016 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 The QBR is not a good measurement. NFL.com stats has Taylor rated 30th. While many want Taylor gone think ahead. You are looking at a schedule that is not going to be at all easy. With Taylor, the offense will be competitive. Since Roman left, the offense has done well. The passing game needs an up grade. Getting the Watkins and the others healthy is a step in the right direction. Add another WR in the draft will help. If you dump Taylor, you can bring in a veteran stop gap type QB. Draft a QB to groom and compete with Cardale Jones. Or start a rookie and take a beating in the standings thus enduring a high draft pick. The team might be in the playoffs in three years. No easy answer. QBR is indeed flawed. But so is the old-fashioned passer rating system used by NFL.com and other sites. Passer rating doesn't account for plays a QB makes with his legs. Maybe, as a rough estimate, you put the two ratings together. TT is rated 30th in one and 12th in the other. Combine them and he's 21st - that sounds about right. I'd like to see a stat that measures how many yards a QB produces - on average - each time he drops back to throw. This would include completed passes, incomplete passes, sacks, and scrambles/runs. Want to add on to what Polish Dave has already stated.... Tyrod is 21st by the old QB rating system ahead of Flacco, Cam, and Wentz Combining the 2 would put him at 16/17th in the league For all the moaning about his contract next year Buffalo will have the 20th most money tied up in the qb position in the league and TT cap hit will be the 20th highest in the league. About in line with his performance. For some other information: Tyrod is 25th in ypa (the most damning stat against him imo) ahead of Flacco and Wentz Tyrod is 24th in completion % ahead of Cam and Jameis Winston Wait a "cot member" ( ) can post negative things too?! Before I posted those things I bet most of you bemoaning TT's year would take all 4 of those guys over TT. Tyrod is, from the numbers, outperforming Flacco, Cam, and Wentz this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Want to add on to what Polish Dave has already stated.... Tyrod is 21st by the old QB rating system ahead of Flacco, Cam, and Wentz Combining the 2 would put him at 16/17th in the league For all the moaning about his contract next year Buffalo will have the 20th most money tied up in the qb position in the league and TT cap hit will be the 20th highest in the league. About in line with his performance. For some other information: Tyrod is 25th in ypa (the most damning stat against him imo) ahead of Flacco and Wentz Tyrod is 24th in completion % ahead of Cam and Jameis Winston Wait a "cot member" ( ) can post negative things too?! Before I posted those things I bet most of you bemoaning TT's year would take all 4 of those guys over TT. Tyrod is, from the numbers, outperforming Flacco, Cam, and Wentz this year. Tyrod has plenty of flaws, just like the large majority of QB's in this league. People love to build straw man arguments that if you favor TT it's b/c you think he's the "savior" or that TT is the best QB in the NFL. No, he's not. Neither is Alex Smith and they're going to the playoffs, again. Edited December 22, 2016 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Tyrod has plenty of flaws, just like the large majority of QB's in this league. People love to build straw man arguments that if you favor TT it's b/c you think he's the "savior" or that TT is the best QB in the NFL. No, he's not. Neither is Alex Smith and they're going to the playoffs, again. I just want to say I'm happy you post here. We are in lockstep on Rex and Tyrod so you save me a lot of typing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Tyrod has plenty of flaws, just like the large majority of QB's in this league. People love to build straw man arguments that if you favor TT it's b/c you think he's the "savior" or that TT is the best QB in the NFL. No, he's not. Neither is Alex Smith and they're going to the playoffs, again. We should cut him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'll save a pew for you guys in church this Sat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Didn't know Alex Smith had a very poor passing game without Roman's offense. Since moving to KC, he's had 3 straight 3000+ yd seasons with an excellent TD/INT ratio of around 3, close to or above 7 AY/A, and looks poised for a 4th season almost that good (TD/INT "fallen off" to 2). I think if we had "very poor passing games" like that in B'lo for the last four years we'd be happier fans. (He's also shown some wheels before this year). Blaine Gabbert was a spread-system QB who never should have been drafted in the 1st round. I think SF was hoping he'd be the next Alex Smith for them (QB where the lightbulb came on in his 6th season) but so far, no sign of that. I have no idea what happened to Kaep. He looked as though he had something, they shipped Smith out of town, he fell apart. KC has had the 22nd, 30th and 28th ranked passing offense the last 3 years. Roman has had bad QB's. He hides them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 It's like arguing with a box of rocks. How many starting QB's are there in the NFL? I just listed 15 QB's that he either has more TD's or is really damn close to, in direct response to the poster saying that Tyrod isn't carrying this offense at all. Well if Tyrod isn't carrying this offense, what are the other 15 QB's above doing? Nobody is saying he's elite. Nobody. Nobody is saying he's even in the top 10. Nobody. What people like me are saying is that he's the perfect fit for this offense. An offense that ranks top 10 in scoring for two years running. Get over yourself with that CoT bull ****. Anything that is ranked last like the Bills passing attack doesn't have an internal component that is a perfect fit for it. Got some water front property in Florida for sale you can skip your rocks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 KC has had the 22nd, 30th and 28th ranked passing offense the last 3 years. Roman has had bad QB's. He hides them. Where? Under his pillow? How is it so hard for you to understand? Kansas City has nothing to do with it. Roman wasn't the offensive coordinator there. You aren't very good at making points are you? Roman doesn't like to throw the ball on offense compared to other coordinators. Roman likes to run the ball more often compared to other coordinators. His quarterbacks (whoever it is at the time running Greg Roman's offense) throw fewer passes. Fewer passes = fewer yards passing. Go look at the stats FFS. I'm pretty sure that is easy enough for even a 7 year old to understand. Why can't you? This year the Buffalo Bills threw the ball fewer times than any other team in the NFL. No wonder they have the second fewest total passing yards. You know which team threw the ball the most times? New Orleans You know who has the most passing yards? Drew Brees The Bills offense is a run heavy offense. Roman's offenses have always been run heavy which is why his offenses have been consistently very high in total running yards while low in total passing yards. It doesn't matter who his quarterback has been. It has always been the same. If you think it is just because of his quarterbacks all 6 years, even when he went to the Superbowl, then you sir are just plain dense. I can't make it any clearer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Where? Under his pillow? How is it so hard for you to understand? Kansas City has nothing to do with it. Roman wasn't the offensive coordinator there. You aren't very good at making points are you? Roman doesn't like to throw the ball on offense compared to other coordinators. Roman likes to run the ball more often compared to other coordinators. His quarterbacks (whoever it is at the time running Greg Roman's offense) throw fewer passes. Fewer passes = fewer yards passing. Go look at the stats FFS. I'm pretty sure that is easy enough for even a 7 year old to understand. Why can't you? This year the Buffalo Bills threw the ball fewer times than any other team in the NFL. No wonder they have the second fewest total passing yards. You know which team threw the ball the most times? New Orleans You know who has the most passing yards? Drew Brees The Bills offense is a run heavy offense. Roman's offenses have always been run heavy which is why his offenses have been consistently very high in total running yards while low in total passing yards. It doesn't matter who his quarterback has been. It has always been the same. If you think it is just because of his quarterbacks all 6 years, even when he went to the Superbowl, then you sir are just plain dense. I can't make it any clearer than that. Why is Alex Smith still always at the bottom of passing totals without Roman? That was the obvious point you missed. Because all of his QB's suck at throwing the football. TT with a new coordinator? Still sucks. Kaep with a coordinator? Still sucks. Alex Smith with a new staff? Still bottom of the barrel in passing yards. You really think its all a coincidence? Edited December 22, 2016 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Anything that is ranked last like the Bills passing attack doesn't have an internal component that is a perfect fit for it. Got some water front property in Florida for sale you can skip your rocks in. Passing yards is such a crap stat There are plenty of REAL crits of Tyrod's game for people to blindly parrot passing yardage. Get a better take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Passing yards is such a crap stat There are plenty of REAL crits of Tyrod's game for people to blindly parrot passing yardage. Get a better take. Never said "passing yardage" try reading comprehension my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Never said "passing yardage" try reading comprehension my friend. Passing Yards is the only stat we are (were) ranked last in. Try understanding the stats you use to make arguments my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Greg Roman's been gone since week 2 fwiw. Draft a real qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Passing Yards is the only stat we are (were) ranked last in. Try understanding the stats you use to make arguments my friend. You're right, my bad not last but damn near in Comp - 31st Att - 32 Comp% - 24 Yards - 31 TDs - 29 TD% - 22 Int - 5 Int% - 7 Y/A - 23 AY/A - 21 Y/C - 18 Y/G - 31 Rating - 21 Sacked - 31 NY/A - 26 ANY/A - 23 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/#all_passing While not last awful damn poor and not nearly good enough. Where would this team be if the rush offense wasn't #1 by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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