SWATeam Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 My guess is you know what it means but just to humor you I will say it. NOT AVIODING THE SYSTEM! Any other questions let us know..... No one knows what it means more than him. It's humorous to see others "educate" him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's very clear that it means something to both Cyrus and his brother Arie. I'm pleased for both of them, they seem like genuinely decent guys that have strived for something since they were little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Christ, three posts to trump bull **** when the op just wanted to congratulate the guy Absolutely amazing right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 No one knows what it means more than him. It's humorous to see others "educate" him No one born outside of America has the right to American citizenship. It doesn't matter if immigrants think our process is hard, or not; unwieldy, or not; unjust, or not; overly bureaucratic, or not; unworkable, or not; too expensive, or not. They don't have any right to citizenship. It's America's process, not theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 But not an "undocumented" one. Catching on? Laws were different when the Poles, Italians, Germans, Irish etc came to America. Comparing modern day immigrants to "our" ancestors is like comparing apples to oranges. The whole process is so different that there is no comparison. If one is opposed to illegal immigration, I have no problem with that. That being said it's not as simple as saying that our ancestors were "legal". It's a different world now: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) No one knows what it means more than him. It's humorous to see others "educate" him No one knows more about anything than him. I find him to be.....not so useful....to my time here at TBD Edit: I assume you are speaking of Maj? Edited November 17, 2016 by fansince88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Laws were different when the Poles, Italians, Germans, Irish etc came to America. Comparing modern day immigrants to "our" ancestors is like comparing apples to oranges. The whole process is so different that there is no comparison. If one is opposed to illegal immigration, I have no problem with that. That being said it's not as simple as saying that our ancestors were "legal". It's a different world now: It's also important to note that historical European immigration involved crossing the Atlantic Ocean in a wooden boat, as opposed to walking north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 My guess is you know what it means but just to humor you I will say it. NOT AVIODING THE SYSTEM! Any other questions let us know.....Didn't know there was a way to avoid a system to become a citizen but ok thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Didn't know there was a way to avoid a system to become a citizen but ok thanks There is a way to circumvent the system. I don't think you'd deny that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Laws were different when the Poles, Italians, Germans, Irish etc came to America. Comparing modern day immigrants to "our" ancestors is like comparing apples to oranges. The whole process is so different that there is no comparison. If one is opposed to illegal immigration, I have no problem with that. That being said it's not as simple as saying that our ancestors were "legal". It's a different world now: Exactly my point, which is why I pointed that out to Bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 There is a way to circumvent the system. I don't think you'd deny that. Not really. There are ways to circumvent getting here not really anyway to circumvent being Naturalized correct? Two different things really. There is a way to circumvent the system. I don't think you'd deny that. Shouldn't all laws apply equally to all people. Is it not wrong to have a different path for citizenship for someone from Cuba compared to someone from Peru, Brazil, Mexico? Doesn't these different standards muddy the water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's also important to note that historical European immigration involved crossing the Atlantic Ocean in a wooden boat, as opposed to walking north. Fair enough, I just wish that people would address the issue by saying that becoming over populated could harm our country. The most populated counties in the world often can't support their population. That's what should be a concern, and that's how I wish people would address it. Instead people choose to trash talk Mexicans, and tells us how their ancestors were better. Trust me when I say that the Anglo New Englander's weren't very pleased with the onslaught of Irish and mainland Europe immigration to our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 The legal way. Ha Ha! Ask a native American about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Ha Ha! Ask a native American about this. Last I checked, we don't live in the middle of the 15th Century anymore, and have been past the Colonial Era for hundreds of years. It's absurd to litigate the here and now through the lens of modern American morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Last I checked, we don't live in the middle of the 15th Century anymore, and have been past the Colonial Era for hundreds of years. It's absurd to litigate the here and now through the lens of modern American morality. OK. Then ask a Mexican or a Hawaiian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Not really. There are ways to circumvent getting here not really anyway to circumvent being Naturalized correct? Two different things really. Shouldn't all laws apply equally to all people. Is it not wrong to have a different path for citizenship for someone from Cuba compared to someone from Peru, Brazil, Mexico? Doesn't these different standards muddy the water? Bobby, there is a prescribed legal system for immigration into the United States, and becoming a citizen thereof. Breaking the law, and living in the shadows while waiting for an amnesty decree circumvents that law. The distinction may not matter to those gaining citizenship that way; but it often does matter to the citizens of the United States whose laws are being circumvented, and to those who are legally going through the painstaking process of becoming a citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) Bobby, there is a prescribed legal system for immigration into the United States, and becoming a citizen thereof. Breaking the law, and living in the shadows while waiting for an amnesty decree circumvents that law. The distinction may not matter to those gaining citizenship that way; but it often does matter to the citizens of the United States whose laws are being circumvented, and to those who are legally going through the painstaking process of becoming a citizen.And while in those shadows get exploited don't get a lot of protections etc etc if anything they are risking a lot doing that as well. And if Amnesty happens through congress that makes their path to citizenship legal. I get it is it circumventing something yes it is. But everyone circumvents a law or laws risking getting caught all over America. So really what is the difference. Again why not one immigration Law or Policy? Either way done talking about it because ventures into politics forum too much. So again Congrats to Cyrus to bad his ceremony wasn't a couple weeks ago so he could have voted for 1st President he will be a citizen with. Now has to wait 4 years. Edited November 17, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I get it is it circumventing something yes it is. But everyone circumvents a law or laws risking getting caught all over America. So really what is the difference. That's a pretty flimsy argument there, Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 That's a pretty flimsy argument there, Bob. Is it. Kinda hypocritical if you violate a law to talk down to others that are violating a law is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Is it. Kinda hypocritical if you violate a law to talk down to others that are violating a law is it not? Yeah, it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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