John from Riverside Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 It's easier said than done. For instance, in that 2014 draft, there were 3 QB's taken before Carr, none of whom are any great shakes. And if any of those 3 teams knew how good Carr would be, they'd have drafted him in the 1st. The Raiders are lucky that none of them did. Doc....why are you trying to explain this to him? Your not going to get through to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Doc....why are you trying to explain this to him? Your not going to get through to him Yes, listen to the man who took 8 weeks longer than everyone else to realize TT regressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) Sure they are. Their consolation prize would've been Mack if someone else had taken Care. That's not bad. It's easier said than done, but it's really not. Having a high 1st pick increases your chance of finding the best QB, on the whole. The logical approach is to lose enough games to maximize your chance of stumbling on a Winston, Mariota, Bridgewater, Carr, Wentz, Dak, Matty Ice, Stafford, Cam, Luck etc etc etc. Because the bottom line is that the team that picked after the Raiders 2nd pick in 2014 had a zero percent chance of drafting Carr. That means the fanbase would have to tolerate what they interpret as a bad coach. Ruthless freaking out about 17 seasons etc, immense pressure to take the QB, but you say, "all is good get Mack, and just try again" so we are talking about multiple years of sucking. What decent coach/gm will tolerate that? Are we supposed to hire them after? How will these good coaches know we have "the guy"? Edited December 7, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) That means the fanbase would have to tolerate what they interpret as a bad coach. Ruthless freaking out about 17 seasons etc, immense pressure to take the QB, but you say, "all is good get Mack, and just try again" so we are talking about multiple years of sucking. What decent coach/gm will tolerate that? Are we supposed to hire them after? How will these good coaches know we have "the guy"? You need unilateral vision. You need a GM/HC who know what they are signing up for. A total dismantling, trading away mid tier players to stockpile picks, minimal FA action except young guys. You get a top 5 pick and take either the best QB on the board, or if your talent evaluators feel there isn't anyone even close to worth it, trade down or pick BPA and the very next pick take a QB. Then the next season, you powow on the state of that QB. If he's making progress and you feel comfortable with him, you draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd to back him up. If not, the same strategy as above. By year 3, you'll either have a QB making strides or your latest rookie with a year of the system competing for the job. As well as hopefully multiple blue chip players ready to make a push. In year 3, you go all out, sign a big FA or 2 in the worst spots of your team, and make a postseason push. And that, my friends, is basically what the Oakland Raiders did. And they are 10-2. Mack, Carr 1 year. Cooper the next. Cook to back up Carr. And then went all out in FA (Irvin, Osmele, Sean Smith.) The fans don't matter. The pressure isn't there. It's vision and a plan. Edited December 7, 2016 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) Curious that the Bills did this with EJ Manuel, traded down and netted Kiko Alonso, and then the next year drafted Sammy Watkins, in the meantime had drafted Dareus, signed Mario Williams in Free agency, traded for Hughes etc, and then you criticize them as if they haven't done it that way.... Edited December 7, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) Curious that the Bills did this with EJ Manuel, traded down and netted Kiko Alonso, and then the next year drafted Sammy Watkins, in the meantime had drafted Dareus, signed Mario Williams in Free agency, traded for Hughes etc, and then you criticize them as if they haven't done it that way.... We didn't draft a QB in 2014. They signed Mario 2 years before EJ whose contract ended up being a big old waste of time. They did it backwards. Edited December 7, 2016 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I figured with what Schwartz did with our D & with his history as a HC that he wonld have been the first choice or should i say should have been the first choice to take over the Bills when Marrone left . We had all the pieces for the D to stay at the top of the hill & seeing as he had a real QB in Detroit he could tell the difference . Rex has never had a really good QB so it's harder for him to see one when they are right there in front of him unless it's Tommy B ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) We didn't draft a QB in 2014. They signed Mario 2 years before EJ whose contract ended up being a big old waste of time. They did it backwards. Drafted Dareus in 2011, we signed Mario in 2012, drafted EJ and Alonso, and traded for Hughes in 2013. And in 2014 drafted Sammy Watkins. We released Mario after he gave up in 2015. They did exactly what you wanted. It just didn't work out. Unless you mean to tell me signing Mario/Dareus 1-2 years ahead of the QB is what broke it? No it broke because the QB position didn't work out. Edited December 7, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Drafted Dareus in 2011, we signed Mario in 2012, drafted EJ and Alonso, and traded for Hughes in 2013. And in 2014 drafted Sammy Watkins. We released Mario after he gave up in 2015. They did exactly what you wanted. It just didn't work out. Unless you mean to tell me signing Mario/Dareus 1-2 years ahead of the QB is what broke it? No it broke because the QB position didn't work out. Actually, what broke it was taking Dareus over Dalton. If we had done that, it would've been perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Actually, what broke it was taking Dareus over Dalton. If we had done that, it would've been perfect. You mean drafting Aaron Williams one pick before Andy Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjosebillsfan Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 have you seen the shape of Eagles defense lately. Jim Schwartz looks like crap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Curious that the Bills did this with EJ Manuel, traded down and netted Kiko Alonso, and then the next year drafted Sammy Watkins, in the meantime had drafted Dareus, signed Mario Williams in Free agency, traded for Hughes etc, and then you criticize them as if they haven't done it that way.... The plan was there. EJ didn't work out. Poop happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 You mean drafting Aaron Williams one pick before Andy Dalton. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The Iggles are now #11 in Yds per game given up. Bills are 12th. Bills are 8th in Passing Yds per game given up. Iggles are 13th. Philly's 16th in Rushing Yds per game given up. Bills are 26th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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