BillnutinHouston Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 The whole "small market" franchise is in jeopardy and riding on the hopes of a raw not very bright college kid with all the "physical skills." 252393[/snapback] "not very bright" ? Where did this analysis come from? I haven't read anything (other than this post) to suggest that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless Homer Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Numbers only tell a small part of the story. JP may put up worse numbers in all 4 of those categories & still be more effective than Drew. 253059[/snapback] Absolutely Rico, absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I got tired of the Bledsoe bashing pretty quick, but never once did I criticize Losman, or say I didn't think he should be given every chance to be the starter next season...I have seen every one of his regular season snaps, and about half his pre-season work. From that, I can draw no real conclusions as to how good he might be. I am not entirely sure why, but I have a good feeling about the Bills new coaching staff, and I agree, that gives the decision they made more creedence with me... 253356[/snapback] buftex, I agree, 100%. Three wins?? The defense alone is good for six. See 2003. There is no doubt that there will be a learning curve for JP. How quickly he picks up on it will likely be the difference in making or missing the playoffs in '05. Call me crazy, but I'd also like to see how free agency, the draft, mini camps, training camp, and preseason go before condemning or praising this team. For the record, color me "cautiously optimistic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 buftex, I agree, 100%. Three wins?? The defense alone is good for six. See 2003. There is no doubt that there will be a learning curve for JP. How quickly he picks up on it will likely be the difference in making or missing the playoffs in '05. Call me crazy, but I'd also like to see how free agency, the draft, mini camps, training camp, and preseason go before condemning or praising this team. For the record, color me "cautiously optimistic". 253583[/snapback] I agree that 6 wins is the worst case scenario. I just think the most realistic "best case scenario" is 9 wins (with 8 being the most likely)...still putting them shy of the playoffs. Hopefully I am wrong. It's happened many times before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Exactly. Look what Drew did in 3 of the biggest games of the year (Pats, at Ravens, Steelers): each one he gave up a critical, game-turning/game-ending turnover that was returned for a TD. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: That doesn't show up in 76.6 rating 20 TD 16 INT 56.9 comp% 253075[/snapback] Totally agreed, my feeling exactly. Drew was a game killer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djh Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 ...Donohoe's Ego Bites Him Again with JP, Kid will lead Bills backwards to 3-13.." I'll bet $1000, you pay $100 (10-1) if Bills get more than 3 wins.....idiot!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Oh, the Irony! The "Curse of Drew Bledsoe. " For those too tired to click: "Is Drew Bledsoe the next Babe Ruth? During the draft, the New England Patriots dealt Drew Bledsoe to division rival Buffalo. The Pats think the bludgeoning Bledsoe took in New England—100 sacks in his last two years as a starter—eroded his skills and that second-year man Tom Brady is the logical starter. But the Boston Globe's Ron Borges counters, 'In Brady's first five games as an NFL starter he threw seven touchdowns, four interceptions, and was sacked 10 times. In the next four starts he threw nine touchdowns, three interceptions, and was sacked 16 times. In his third set of four starts he threw one touchdown, three interceptions, and was sacked 14 times. And in his final four starts of the year (three of them playoff games that his team won), he threw two touchdowns, three interceptions, and was sacked six times.' In other words, as the sacks piled up and the competition got stiffer, Brady's performance tailed off." Looks like JIM and the WNYDBFC are right. We all know how Brady worked out, so we're obviously doomed with JP. I don't care if the Bills have a worse record than Dallas next year and Drew lights it up for the Cowgirls. He's gone. He's a washed-up loser in my book and I'm glad to have him off the team. At the rate Drew was going here, we'd be in the playoffs by 2010. It still may take till then for JP to get us there, but at least we won't be forced to witness the incessant brain farts of a 12+ year veteran QB. God, it was more like diarrhea. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP-era Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Here's another old article about JPDonohoe bet the farm on Greg Williams and Rob Johnson and now..... No way can JP be groomed before the nucleus of this team is disbanded. Mark these words The whole "small market" franchise is in jeopardy and riding on the hopes of a raw not very bright college kid with all the "physical skills." 252393[/snapback] Hey, you just keep plugging away until you hit a home run. You dont trade into the 1st to draft a QB and then not give him the reigns. Sorry, thats a waste of a pick. But, you probably felt that way about them drafting a 1st round QB anyway so this is a moot point where you are just continuing to vent your frustration with them getting JP. Ohh well, doesnt matter, hes here, hes starting, so you will just have to deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Oh, the Irony! The "Curse of Drew Bledsoe. " For those too tired to click: "Is Drew Bledsoe the next Babe Ruth? During the draft, the New England Patriots dealt Drew Bledsoe to division rival Buffalo. The Pats think the bludgeoning Bledsoe took in New England—100 sacks in his last two years as a starter—eroded his skills and that second-year man Tom Brady is the logical starter. But the Boston Globe's Ron Borges counters, 'In Brady's first five games as an NFL starter he threw seven touchdowns, four interceptions, and was sacked 10 times. In the next four starts he threw nine touchdowns, three interceptions, and was sacked 16 times. In his third set of four starts he threw one touchdown, three interceptions, and was sacked 14 times. And in his final four starts of the year (three of them playoff games that his team won), he threw two touchdowns, three interceptions, and was sacked six times.' In other words, as the sacks piled up and the competition got stiffer, Brady's performance tailed off." Looks like JIM and the WNYDBFC are right. We all know how Brady worked out, so we're obviously doomed with JP. I don't care if the Bills have a worse record than Dallas next year and Drew lights it up for the Cowgirls. He's gone. He's a washed-up loser in my book and I'm glad to have him off the team. At the rate Drew was going here, we'd be in the playoffs by 2010. It still may take till then for JP to get us there, but at least we won't be forced to witness the incessant brain farts of a 12+ year veteran QB. God, it was more like diarrhea. Disgusting. 253710[/snapback] Something tells me that JP will be a HELLUVA lot more fun and exciting to watch than Bledsoe, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eventualchamps Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 JP could very well do much worse than Drew. And if history is any guide, the odds are he WILL do worse than Drew. Here's a comparison: Drew's numbers in 2004 76.6 rating 20 TD 16 INT 56.9 comp% Compare that to some of the more prominent first year QBs over the years. Broken into catagories: Really bad, Slightly Worse than Drew, Better than Drew REALLY BAD Carr 62.8 9TD 15INT 52.5% Kyle Boller 62.4 7TD 9INT 51.8 (*Made playoffs) Harrington 59.9 12TD 16INT 50.1% Eli Manning 55.4 6TD 9INT 48.2% SLIGHTLY WORSE: Ramsey 75.8 14TD 9INT 53% Plummer 75 17TD 20INT 59% Peyton Manning 71.2 rating 26TD 28INT 56.7% McNair 70.4 24TD 13 INT 52% BETTER THAN DREW Big Ben 98.1 17TD 11INT 66% (*Playoffs) Culpepper 98 33TD 16INT 62.7% (*Playoffs) Vick 81.6 16TD 8INT 54.9 (*Playoffs) Palmer 77.3 18TD 18INT 60.9 ------------------------------- Take a look at the "Better list": Culpepper sat for 2 years before stepping on the field, he was seasoned and ready to take over. Vick was great, but let's face it...JP is NOT Mike Vick (for better and worse). A lot of people want to compare JP's situation to Big Ben's but that isn't really fair. The Bills are not as good as Pittsburgh. Their line, their running game and their Defense are all worse. So to expect JP to be like Big Ben is not realistic. Of all the QBs on the "better list", Palmer may be the best example. Cincy and Buffalo look very similar (Great running game and WRs, good defenses, on the cusp of the playoffs). I think at best you can expect JP to match Palmer's numbers, but that may even be a stretch considering Palmer was a heisman winner and MUCH more polished coming out of school than JP was... As bad as Drew was this year (and he was bad), it's assanine to believe JP can't possibly do worse than Drew. History just doesn't show this to be true. Does this mean I think JP will be a bust? No. But I am prepared for a long learning curve. The Bills D and ST are good enough to win a few games, but there is no way the Bills can win 10 games UNLESS JP beats the odds and plays better than the majority of First Year starters do. And unless the Bills win 10 games, they won't be in the playoffs. 253046[/snapback] Doesn't seem fair not to include fumbles lost and sacks taken when your considering Drew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Other than to relieve boredom, why would anyone want to take a stab at predicting records for next year before the draft and before the start of free agency? The complexion of all teams are far from complete at this point. I wouldn't even venture a guess until May (I hope I can live up to that pledge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiz Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Viewing the posting history of JohninMinn is similar to viewing the private room of an obsessive, psychopathic stalker. John, J.P. is our qb, get over it. Have you sought counseling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Other than to relieve boredom, why would anyone want to take a stab at predicting records for next year before the draft and before the start of free agency? The complexion of all teams are far from complete at this point. I wouldn't even venture a guess until May (I hope I can live up to that pledge). 253888[/snapback] One can guess at the moves to be made. Obviously a LT has to be signed. LG while important can be overlooked and is less important. We probably are assuming few if any real changes on Defense. The only real impact changes left are whether we get a TE and or a better 3rd down WR. Overall these may or may not have any real impacts, and it is tough to predeict injuries at any point. So other then a few positions the Bills are reletively set next year. Those positions will realistically only have a 1 or 2 game impact either way on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Absolutely Rico, absolutely. 253571[/snapback] Thanks Oneida, I knew you'd agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 man if you're right, we should just rely on online scouting reports to build our team. I mean, Ryan Leaf might still be available sitting at home somewhere, I heard he was so good he got picked 1st in the draft. How can you possibly argue with that. Oh, and that Brady kid in NE, he's never gonna make it, not even a tope 5 rd pick in my opinion after reading the notes on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Other than to relieve boredom, why would anyone want to take a stab at predicting records for next year before the draft and before the start of free agency? The complexion of all teams are far from complete at this point. I wouldn't even venture a guess until May (I hope I can live up to that pledge). 253888[/snapback] Because all the WNYDBFC members that say it wasn't Drew's but everybody else's fault now mean that it's got to be JP's fault. Clear? Hey, I wish Drew and her Tuna husband success on their second marriage and that their menage a trois with Jerry Jones gets them to the SuperBowl next year where Drew gets to face our D. That's my fantasy. Sniffing Drew's jock seems to be that of some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapefarmerinsc Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I'm betting this thread was started by a Bedsore fan ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRupp Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 this team would have regressed with Drew at QB. No way does JP put up worse production in 2005 than Drew did in 2004. 252456[/snapback] I agree with you IF he stays (less than 3 missed starts) healthy. My biggest concerns with JP for the short term and long term are his ability to stay healthy and make good decisions. Actually bu doing the second, it helps reach the goal for the first. Definitely where he will make it or break it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRupp Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 this team would have regressed with Drew at QB. No way does JP put up worse production in 2005 than Drew did in 2004. 252456[/snapback] I agree with you IF he stays (less than 3 missed starts) healthy. My biggest concerns with JP for the short term and long term are his ability to stay healthy and make good decisions. Actually bu doing the second, it helps reach the goal for the first. Definitely where he will make it or break it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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