SoCal Deek Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: You're right. The destruction of public property isn't protesting. It's vandalism, and the people engaging in that conduct are vandals. So when your douchebag friends say things like "let's throw acid on the protestors," please correct them and say that in this country, much to the chagrin of our douchebag president, we don't use chemical weapons on people who exercise their First Amendment rights. Why would it be the President’s job to police this sort of local crime? For people who constantly call him a fascist, you all sure seem to want him to be everywhere doing everything! After three plus years you STILL do not understand the guy. Amazing! 3 1
billsfan1959 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Foxx said: https://twitter.com/BernardKerik/status/1275276637333008385 Add to the equation: Face to face interactions between LE Officers and people over the age 16 All people over 16: 50+ million (population 253+ million) White: 37+ million (population 164+ million) Black: 6+ million (population 31+ million) Total murders 2019: White: 6200+ (% killed by police: 7.55%) Black: 7400+ (% killed by police: 2.96%) Edited June 23, 2020 by billsfan1959 1 3
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Add to the equation: Face to face interactions between LE Officers and people over the age 16 All people over 16: 50+ million (population 253+ million) White: 37+ million (population 164+ million) Black: 6+ million (population 31+ million) Total murders 2019: White: 6200+ (% killed by police: 7.55%) Black: 7400+ (% killed by police: 2.96%) I was thinking about this and, while it is true that any interaction could end up with lethal force, I think it's worth limiting to violent crimes plus weapons charges - which appear to be separate. This analysis was done in an effort to concisely summarize my take on the current ongoing discussion. I think generally this graph shows the injustice being protested. It is derived by the percentage of lethal interactions divided by the percentage of US population. As you can see, black Americans are the only demographic over 1, and they're over 1.5. Almost double the rate of the others. If this was what you focused on I could certainly understand the concern. If you then look at the violent crime rate, a different picture is painted. Violent is strictly violent crimes (murder, manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery) while violent+ also includes weapons offenses. This was in an effort to only include the likeliest interactions to get violent. It is found the same way as graph 1. Percentage of violent offenses divided by percentage of US population. If you combine the two data points, you end up with the following: So in other words, maybe Asians should be upset. In talking through this with my father, a retired officer, he speculated that the higher rate of Asian incidents could probably be traced to language barriers to some extent. Anyway, just thoughts on the topic. Certainly open to discussion. 4 4
SectionC3 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Why would it be the President’s job to police this sort of local crime? For people who constantly call him a fascist, you all sure seem to want him to be everywhere doing everything! After three plus years you STILL do not understand the guy. Amazing! Nobody said it’s Trump’s job to manage local policing. And the hyperbole fits. Trump is the guy who apparently wants to execute offending journalists, who was cool with gassing protesters for his sham photo op in front of a church he exploits, who baselessly accuses others of treason, and who believes that we should casually dispense five- or ten-year sentences for unnamed crimes committed by people around protests. 1
Reality Check Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Nobody said it’s Trump’s job to manage local policing. And the hyperbole fits. Trump is the guy who apparently wants to execute offending journalists, who was cool with gassing protesters for his sham photo op in front of a church he exploits, who baselessly accuses others of treason, and who believes that we should casually dispense five- or ten-year sentences for unnamed crimes committed by people around protests. 2
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Nobody said it’s Trump’s job to manage local policing. And the hyperbole fits. Trump is the guy who apparently wants to execute offending journalists, who was cool with gassing protesters for his sham photo op in front of a church he exploits, who baselessly accuses others of treason, and who believes that we should casually dispense five- or ten-year sentences for unnamed crimes committed by people around protests. Wants to use the government to silence writers, sues people for speaking out, pays hush money to porn stars, scapegoats immigrants and just lies constantly, aside from that, he's a great steward of our constitutional system.... 1
B-Man Posted June 23, 2020 Author Posted June 23, 2020 Everywhere Statues Are Torn Down By The Mob, History Promises People Are Next by Christopher Bedford Original Article WASHINGTON, DC—For millennia, King Mob has targeted societies’ icons with varied goals and to varied ends, and few things are more foreboding than his desecration of civic art. Just as the targets have ranged from rulers to clergy, from tyrants to helpless, and from the guilty to the innocent, the outcomes have ranged from victory to defeat depending on the society’s strength and will. The promise of bloodshed coming alongside or following shortly after, however, is an historic certainty.
Reality Check Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Wants to use the government to silence writers, sues people for speaking out, pays hush money to porn stars, scapegoats immigrants and just lies constantly, aside from that, he's a great steward of our constitutional system....
billsfan1959 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I was thinking about this and, while it is true that any interaction could end up with lethal force, I think it's worth limiting to violent crimes plus weapons charges - which appear to be separate. This analysis was done in an effort to concisely summarize my take on the current ongoing discussion. I think generally this graph shows the injustice being protested. It is derived by the percentage of lethal interactions divided by the percentage of US population. As you can see, black Americans are the only demographic over 1, and they're over 1.5. Almost double the rate of the others. If this was what you focused on I could certainly understand the concern. If you then look at the violent crime rate, a different picture is painted. Violent is strictly violent crimes (murder, manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery) while violent+ also includes weapons offenses. This was in an effort to only include the likeliest interactions to get violent. It is found the same way as graph 1. Percentage of violent offenses divided by percentage of US population. If you combine the two data points, you end up with the following: So in other words, maybe Asians should be upset. In talking through this with my father, a retired officer, he speculated that the higher rate of Asian incidents could probably be traced to language barriers to some extent. Anyway, just thoughts on the topic. Certainly open to discussion. All of these statistics are important and just goes to show the complexity of the problem. Just a couple of points: (1) You really cannot limit the data to just violent crimes and weapons charges. There are so many instances of interactions that should never turn violent, let alone lethal; However, they often do, in fact, turn violent and lethal. Just look at the incidents involving George Floyd and Rayshawn Brooks. (2) The level of violent crime in black communities draws a disproportionate amount of LE resources and creates an entirely different dynamic in the nature of the response and interactions. All of which is difficult to meaningfully tease out from the data. It is an extraordinarily complex issue in which so many people want to define in simplistic ways. 6
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reality Check said: Do you want someone to tell you that you are clever?
RochesterRob Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, B-Man said: Everywhere Statues Are Torn Down By The Mob, History Promises People Are Next by Christopher Bedford Original Article WASHINGTON, DC—For millennia, King Mob has targeted societies’ icons with varied goals and to varied ends, and few things are more foreboding than his desecration of civic art. Just as the targets have ranged from rulers to clergy, from tyrants to helpless, and from the guilty to the innocent, the outcomes have ranged from victory to defeat depending on the society’s strength and will. The promise of bloodshed coming alongside or following shortly after, however, is an historic certainty. Good reading for our resident idiot Tiberius and his army of alts. I've said it before on PPP and will say again that Tiberius will be a target of the movement he espouses as he has shown a willingness to actively undermine an existing government. This implies he may very well be willing to do so again and will be regarded with a very low level of trust by a new regime. A new regime will not chance having around a group of people who may ultimately prove to be disloyal to that regime. 2
bdutton Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I was thinking about this and, while it is true that any interaction could end up with lethal force, I think it's worth limiting to violent crimes plus weapons charges - which appear to be separate. This analysis was done in an effort to concisely summarize my take on the current ongoing discussion. I think generally this graph shows the injustice being protested. It is derived by the percentage of lethal interactions divided by the percentage of US population. As you can see, black Americans are the only demographic over 1, and they're over 1.5. Almost double the rate of the others. If this was what you focused on I could certainly understand the concern. If you then look at the violent crime rate, a different picture is painted. Violent is strictly violent crimes (murder, manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery) while violent+ also includes weapons offenses. This was in an effort to only include the likeliest interactions to get violent. It is found the same way as graph 1. Percentage of violent offenses divided by percentage of US population. If you combine the two data points, you end up with the following: So in other words, maybe Asians should be upset. In talking through this with my father, a retired officer, he speculated that the higher rate of Asian incidents could probably be traced to language barriers to some extent. Anyway, just thoughts on the topic. Certainly open to discussion. Excellent analysis. I think a lot of people are looking at the sheer number of African American deaths and not understanding the bigger picture. When you have high crime rates you naturally have to dedicate police resources to it. Which increases the likelihood of a violent encounter between criminals and police. Likewise, a greater likelihood that police may have a heightened sense of caution when policing high crime areas. 3
B-Man Posted June 23, 2020 Author Posted June 23, 2020 WHITE WOMEN’S SELF-ESTEEM MATTERS: Austin Demonstrators Who Raised Transgender Flag Jeer as Police Raise American Flag.
B-Man Posted June 23, 2020 Author Posted June 23, 2020 VICTOR DAVIS HANSON: What Happens When the Madness Ends? Today’s corporate revolutionary enthusiasts had better prepare for the inevitable turn. Related: Fuji Bikes Suspends Sales To Law Enforcement, Citing Use During Riot Control. It’s astounding — and telling — that big corporations will treat U.S. police departments like war criminals, while continuing to do business with the PRC. . 1
SectionC3 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Good reading for our resident idiot Tiberius and his army of alts. I've said it before on PPP and will say again that Tiberius will be a target of the movement he espouses as he has shown a willingness to actively undermine an existing government. This implies he may very well be willing to do so again and will be regarded with a very low level of trust by a new regime. A new regime will not chance having around a group of people who may ultimately prove to be disloyal to that regime. Hoax. You’re the resident idiot here.
RochesterRob Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Truth. You’re the resident genius here. Your fear is obvious in that post. You know damn well the potential traitors are the first to be rounded up for a disposition to prison or in more extreme situations execution when a new regime takes hold. You are trying to fool only yourself. Edited June 23, 2020 by RochesterRob 2
Reality Check Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Do you want someone to tell you that you are clever? 1
B-Man Posted June 23, 2020 Author Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) You're Being Duped: Black Lives Matter Founder Admits "We are Trained Marxists" In Resurfaced Video Edited June 23, 2020 by B-Man 2
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: Good reading for our resident idiot Tiberius and his army of alts. I've said it before on PPP and will say again that Tiberius will be a target of the movement he espouses as he has shown a willingness to actively undermine an existing government. This implies he may very well be willing to do so again and will be regarded with a very low level of trust by a new regime. A new regime will not chance having around a group of people who may ultimately prove to be disloyal to that regime. Our early republic tore down all sorts of statues, coat of arms, paintings, royal symbols, etc, seems to have worked fine. 17 minutes ago, B-Man said: You're Being Duped: Black Lives Matter Founder Admits "We are Trained Marxists" In Resurfaced Video MLK was labeled a communist, too. Lame
RochesterRob Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Our early republic tore down all sorts of statues, coat of arms, paintings, royal symbols, etc, seems to have worked fine. Not the same example as you being in obvious opposition to a government lacking a coherent reason as to why. A new regime will figure you will be quick to label it immoral or corrupt especially if there is money on the table for you to grab for saying it. Extremely doubtful that you would have deep connections to the leaders of a new regime to keep your butt out of prison. Or in the old more civil days faked evidence of marital infidelity among other issues that could ruin your life.
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