Nelius Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: I am simply asking for clarification. It is police brutality in my book. The rest of your verbiage was a bit emotional and I wasn't quite getting it. It was emotional, I'll admit it. No, it's not actual fascism. Let's move on. 1 5
Reality Check Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Nelius said: It was emotional, I'll admit it. No, it's not actual fascism. Let's move on. Fair enough.
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: I was there tonight. It was a bad brew on both sides. Camo officers staged out of sight behind the city court building about three hours before that happened. Protestors were an eclectic bunch. Cops I talked to seemed pissed off to be there. It was easy to tell something unfortunate would happen. And these situations often turn bad. And to play devil’s advocate. These cops were amped up. The guy approached the cop and reached out to him. Sorry old man. Not very smart. 3
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Does eclectic mean Starbuck's swizzling pajama boy commies? No. It also doesn’t mean Trumpian fascists. Somewhere in between. Edited June 5, 2020 by SectionC3
Magox Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I asked in the Buffalo thread, but maybe here will get an answer.. What would you expect them to be charged with? He approached them, they told him to get away, he still approached, they pushed, he stumbled backwards and fell. Leaving him there bleeding is where they were wrong, in my opinion. And the one cop pushing the other cop away was terrible. But, maybe neither were trained to help and the national guard guys were trained to help? I will be curious what the law enforcement guys here will think of the incident, and what they think charges, if any, should be. Im not a lawyer, but something. He shouldn’t have been pushed considering his age and that he wasn’t a threat. They may not have intended to injure him but they did. 1
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nelius said: It was emotional, I'll admit it. No, it's not actual fascism. Let's move on. But come on man. Ya gotta give me props for my Nelius Fasc-O-Meter. 2
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: And these situations often turn bad. And to play devil’s advocate. These cops were amped up. The guy approached the cop and reached out to him. Sorry old man. Not very smart. It was unnecessary. Totally out of character for that cop. I couldn’t believe it when I saw the name plate. He’s probably going to get fired, and that’s too bad. But he did not have to hit the guy. At all.
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: And these situations often turn bad. And to play devil’s advocate. These cops were amped up. The guy approached the cop and reached out to him. Sorry old man. Not very smart. I do sincerely hope the guy is ok and agree someone should have stayed until medical attention arrived. 1
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: Im not a lawyer, but something. He shouldn’t have been pushed considering his age and that he wasn’t a threat. They may not have intended to injure him but they did. Eggshell skull rule. You’re right.
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I asked in the Buffalo thread, but maybe here will get an answer.. What would you expect them to be charged with? He approached them, they told him to get away, he still approached, they pushed, he stumbled backwards and fell. Leaving him there bleeding is where they were wrong, in my opinion. And the one cop pushing the other cop away was terrible. But, maybe neither were trained to help and the national guard guys were trained to help? I will be curious what the law enforcement guys here will think of the incident, and what they think charges, if any, should be. And it wasn’t even what would consider a forceful shove. It was more of a “move along”. And I do agree to leave him lying there was real bad.
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, 4merper4mer said: I do sincerely hope the guy is ok and agree someone should have stayed until medical attention arrived. It got there pretty quickly thereafter. That part looked worse than it actually was. Just no need to hit the guy whatsoever. That was not protect and serve.
Nelius Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: But come on man. Ya gotta give me props for my Nelius Fasc-O-Meter. It's what broke me tbh. Took a breath and cracked a beer. Kudos. I'm pissed though. Other people are pissed. I'm not out there because I have a kid but I'm watching everything and am not coming away with a good view of the police (typically live streams, so cool your jets conspiracy theory anti-media weirdos). Even your statement about how the old man should have known better. Isn't that part of the problem? Shouldn't a harmless old man be able to approach the police? We've gone from "never mess with the police because they may kill you" to "don't even approach police because they may kill you". 1
Reality Check Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: I do sincerely hope the guy is ok and agree someone should have stayed until medical attention arrived. What are the odds that there is a protest in his name? 1
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: It was unnecessary. Totally out of character for that cop. I couldn’t believe it when I saw the name plate. He’s probably going to get fired, and that’s too bad. But he did not have to hit the guy. At all. Hit the guy? I watched that several times. He didn’t hit him. 1
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: And it wasn’t even what would consider a forceful shove. It was more of a “move along”. And I do agree to leave him lying there was real bad. Aaron’s a pretty strong guy and he gave it to the citizen pretty well from what I saw.
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Magox said: Im not a lawyer, but something. He shouldn’t have been pushed considering his age and that he wasn’t a threat. They may not have intended to injure him but they did. Do the body cameras have sound? While I would agree that he was probably not a threat, sound would allow us to know what he was saying when he approached them. And, why did he approach them? It is never a good idea to disobey a reasonable request (get back, get away) from a police officer.
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Hit the guy? I watched that several times. He didn’t hit him. Agree to disagree. We’re arguing semantics. It was an application of force.
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I do sincerely hope the guy is ok and agree someone should have stayed until medical attention arrived. In the video I posted, the national guard guys immediately attended to him. They were at the back of the pack.
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Nelius said: It's what broke me tbh. Took a breath and cracked a beer. Kudos. That’s about all I’m good for here. ?
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Do the body cameras have sound? While I would agree that he was probably not a threat, sound would allow us to know what he was saying when he approached them. And, why did he approach them? It is never a good idea to disobey a reasonable request (get back, get away) from a police officer. The last paragraph is victim blaming. Sorry but it is. The citizen probably shouldn’t have been there, but that doesn’t justify what happened. (Audio may tell a different tale, but I highly doubt it since the citizen was left in place after falling. A threat would have been neutralized there.)
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