Nihilarian Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 As good as our defense was under Schwartz, I would hardly classify it as "dominant." We haven't had a dominant defense in years. Not since the days of Phat Pat. We were good in a couple nice statistical areas, but let's reserve the term "dominant" for defenses that really merit the title. GO BILLS!!! Oh, I dunno. I'd say #1 in the entire NFL in sacks, and hurries is pretty dominate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I voiced that concern when we hired Schwartz and in the discussions comparing Rex, Schwartz, pettine... Here's the problem though: we had that extra talent and locked them up for a multi-year window Schematically we could've ride what was on the roster while transitioning towards a system less reliant on 4 rushers And that said, Rex had had plenty of premium star players when his defense has succeeded. It's not just a couple of star corners and 9 guys I apologize if I sounded like you only need 2 corners in Rex's D. I understand you need good talent in any scheme at as many positions possible. I also agree with the talent that was on the roster being suited for the 4-3. Rex even said he was trying to do what you suggested and he didn't get the job done. Now Rex wants to implement his scheme 100%. I am hopeful that the Bills will have the right amount of playmakers on each level to accomplish this come opening day. I also hope they will all have bought into it and prepared for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 30 years, that's since 1986 Since we mad the playoffs was it 8 out of 10 years in the 1990's I'm a bit confused to say the least? It is completely ..... Dopey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I apologize if I sounded like you only need 2 corners in Rex's D. I understand you need good talent in any scheme at as many positions possible. I also agree with the talent that was on the roster being suited for the 4-3. Rex even said he was trying to do what you suggested and he didn't get the job done. Now Rex wants to implement his scheme 100%. I am hopeful that the Bills will have the right amount of playmakers on each level to accomplish this come opening day. I also hope they will all have bought into it and prepared for it. No worries- just think it's worth noting that he's had Ray Lewis/Ed reed in his best stretch for instance (two all time greats at their positions (in addition to excellent players in Suggs and Scott and....) and at the jets stop he still had premium lineman and David Harris and brought Scott in addition to corners --- I'm guilty of falling into the "Rex's scheme hides lack of talent" trap at times too I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Dumbass Rex! I'll bet all of the players hate him and know he's a total fraud. @buffalobills "Rex had a lot to do with it. I love playing for him." How Rex influenced Incognito's deal: http://bufbills.co/IOuVc2 The players loved Jauron too. It's winning games and the playoffs that count. On another note, something tells me Mario wasn't entirely pleased and either was Marcell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Dumbass Rex! I'll bet all of the players hate him and know he's a total fraud. @buffalobills "Rex had a lot to do with it. I love playing for him." How Rex influenced Incognito's deal: http://bufbills.co/IOuVc2 Offensive player. Rex's specialty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 The reality is that like 90%+ of coaches in the NFL are "scheme guys." They have their pet scheme and they are going to run it. That's the way it is with Rex, as it was with Schwartz, as it was with Pettine, as it was with Jauron, etc. Either you hire a guy to run a scheme that largely fits your personnel, or you change your personnel. I love the idea behind being multiple and molding your scheme to your players-- but that doesn't seem to ever work in practice. I hope that Whaley and the Pegulas appreciate that now, if they didn't when they hired Rex. I would like to mention, when a Coach has a system and his Coaching staff have been working that system together for quite awhile, is it really all that smart to change up for "some" of the players? Some of you folks keep saying "thats what good coaches do" and that is a fallacy. They tweak. Rex was never going to run a Pettine system. Different philosophies. Both have advantages and weaknesses. does not Rex cannot understand Jim Schwartz or a wide nine. Ifhe believes in his system then that is what he should have employed. and that was his mistake. he tried to cater to the players too much. Thats my guess at least. And Bradham also said Mario put all the effort in. so I discount every word he spoke. Don't wish him ill but i do not think he was a good fit here. Because he is probably stoned still instead of in the playbook /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Look....if Rex defense still looks bad this upcoming year......Im with ya but not after one year in a complicated scheme guys....not one year. I realize that its been years of futility......but you have to have more patience then that I would like to mention, when a Coach has a system and his Coaching staff have been working that system together for quite awhile, is it really all that smart to change up for "some" of the players? Some of you folks keep saying "thats what good coaches do" and that is a fallacy. They tweak. Rex was never going to run a Pettine system. Different philosophies. Both have advantages and weaknesses. does not Rex cannot understand Jim Schwartz or a wide nine. Ifhe believes in his system then that is what he should have employed. and that was his mistake. he tried to cater to the players too much. Thats my guess at least. And Bradham also said Mario put all the effort in. so I discount every word he spoke. Don't wish him ill but i do not think he was a good fit here. Because he is probably stoned still instead of in the playbook /sarcasm I think that is what really hurts Bradham's statements....that "Mario put in all the effort" He clearly did not and you can see that on the all 22....Mario did NOT put in alll the effort...when you are a player of Mario Williams physical attributes and your getting blocked by a TIGHT END.....you should sit yourself in the corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Look....if Rex defense still looks bad this upcoming year......Im with ya but not after one year in a complicated scheme guys....not one year. I realize that its been years of futility......but you have to have more patience then that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 If Rex's defense is so complicated that it takes multiple years to understand and excel in it, and he is too dumb too realize this, than he should be fired sooner rather than later. In this era of the salary cap and f/a where there is constantly player turnover, guys need to be able to step into a defense and play well right away, not sign and then wait three years to see if you can pass Rex's Rhodes Scholar Exam. IMO Rex is the Bill's HC because PT Barnum I mean PT Brandon and the Pegula's were hypnotized by Rex's personality. Will never know, but I wish I knew exactly how much say Whaley had in the hiring of this buffoon? It has been noted by some rather qualified people here, its not all that complicated. Just different. and it demands leaders on the field I agree with John too. Rex will get another chance. But after that the ice thins as the heat rises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I always find it a little curious that Rex is labeled a clown yet a self-obsessed tool who had his defense carry him off the field after the Detroit game like he won some stinking championship is a better option. My belief is a lot of the anti-Rex fervor is because he came from a hated division rival. If he wasn't a long time Jets HC I don't think there would be this much hostility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Spot on. i don't think so. does not mean Rex has an extremely long leash either. Fans got over excited and are hurt. give it another year Scott then even I will be wielding my handy dandy pitchfork ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Here is the thing, Schwartzs D was good for the Bills personnel 2 yeas ago. That D needs a dominant front 4. It relies more on talent and less on scheme. This is good. The front 4 have the autonomy to usually just control their had with either a rush of clog for the run. Problem with this is cost. In Scwartzs D you have to pay 4 maybe 4 guys premium dollars. Of course you still have to have good corner play, which will come at a price as well. Now Rex's D is more scheme based less individual talent based. Rex's D is based off the unit working together as 1. Rex's D relies on outstanding corner play, leaving them on an island so the other 9 guys can attack. 2 vs 4 premium paid . My thought at least. You also need intelligent and motivated horses to run Rexs scheme. If players dont study the playbook or arent smart enough to get it, we'll get the mess we got last year no matter how physically talented they are. This is what bothers me about next season, we have a good amount of picks to have a good defensive draft but were throwing those rookies into the arguably most complicated defense in the league rite off the bat and we need at least a starting LB, DT/NT, and Saftey through the draft on Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I agree with John too. Rex will get another chance. But after that the ice thins as the heat rises As it should. I went into last season underestimating the time it would take to transition to Rex's scheme, I totally fumbled that aspect of the analysis. Rex will get, and should get, another year to implement his scheme and style before he's run out of town -- but if they finish 8-8 or worse I wouldn't expect Rex to survive to year three baring major outside influences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 As it should. I went into last season underestimating the time it would take to transition to Rex's scheme, I totally fumbled that aspect of the analysis. Rex will get, and should get, another year to implement his scheme and style before he's run out of town -- but if they finish 8-8 or worse I wouldn't expect Rex to survive to year three baring major outside influences. 8-8 is an interesting line in the sand. I expect to see major progress on both sides of the ball. And that should equate to playoffs. But if the injury bug hits us hard, say TT and SW, i cannot in good conscious say 8-8 defines his stay in Buffalo. But this season surely will define his future in Buffalo. any slipping will not go well for him. Next HC will be Roman btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 8-8 is an interesting line in the sand. I expect to see major progress on both sides of the ball. And that should equate to playoffs. But if the injury bug hits us hard, say TT and SW, i cannot in good conscious say 8-8 defines his stay in Buffalo. But this season surely will define his future in Buffalo. any slipping will not go well for him. Next HC will be Roman btw If the offense takes the step most expect it to, I could see that happening with GRo. Though, I wonder if his loyalty to Rex would prevent him from stepping into that particular gig should Rex get the boot. It might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) ... He clearly did not and you can see that on the all 22....Mario did NOT put in alll the effort...when you are a player of Mario Williams physical attributes and your getting blocked by a TIGHT END.....you should sit yourself in the corner Blocked by a tight end? How about getting blocked one on one by a little scatback? Sproles embarrassed Mario. Not that Mario is capable of feeling embarrassed. GO BILLS!!! Edited March 12, 2016 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 If the offense takes the step most expect it to, I could see that happening with GRo. Though, I wonder if his loyalty to Rex would prevent him from stepping into that particular gig should Rex get the boot. It might. why do you think he is loyal to Rex? and if rex is gone, why would he not step up. Just seems logical. But i detract from the theme here. Bills better draft his replacement and well before the 4th round IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 why do you think he is loyal to Rex? and if rex is gone, why would he not step up. Just seems logical. He and Rex go back a long ways. There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the world though, so it might not be something Roman would be willing to pass up, but he might if Rex is shown the door in a contentious way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 He and Rex go back a long ways. There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the world though, so it might not be something Roman would be willing to pass up, but he might if Rex is shown the door in a contentious way. Lets cross that bridge when we come upon it then. And lordy hope we don't even need to !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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