NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Agree with every one of those. Do those things and add Mo Wilkerson to Dareus and Hughes, with Darby and Gilmore on the edges, and we have the core in place for many years. Build the linebacker and safety talent up through the draft. I think we miss the safety that signed with Tennessee (what the hell was his name) more than I thought we would - he was big enough to cover tight ends, and very smart/coach on the field guy. Not saying he would have made the difference, but instead we have Duke Williams, porn star chaser, and other meatheads. All the guys other than Hughes that take dumb over-exuberance penalties have to go -- Brooks, Duke, Boobie. Bye. We have to get a smarter roster, as well as a more talented one (this is two your points 1 & 2). But I think we need a talent infusion too. MO, MO, MO!!!! Searcy was huge loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Agree with every one of those. Do those things and add Mo Wilkerson to Dareus and Hughes, with Darby and Gilmore on the edges, and we have the core in place for many years. Build the linebacker and safety talent up through the draft. I think we miss the safety that signed with Tennessee (what the hell was his name) more than I thought we would - he was big enough to cover tight ends, and very smart/coach on the field guy. Not saying he would have made the difference, but instead we have Duke Williams, porn star chaser, and other meatheads. All the guys other than Hughes that take dumb over-exuberance penalties have to go -- Brooks, Duke, Boobie. Bye. We have to get a smarter roster, as well as a more talented one (this is two your points 1 & 2). But I think we need a talent infusion too. MO, MO, MO!!!! By the way, you are a diligent and firm poster. like the attitude and ability to defend your position. well done Sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I agree with the lack of intelligence remark seems like our Bills lack in that department big time. DW got to bring in some leaders, Football Junkies no more over paid mansion seekers.I want some guys that have the mentality that they need to fight for there jobs every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 That is very kind All-Pro. Probably being too pushy on my Wilkerson point, but I really think he is so perfect for this squad. I believe (but no one wants me as GM, sadly), he alone would be a game-changer on D. And he is young, a gamer (was "questionable" for our game when he broke his leg), not a prima donna, not a money whore. He is a blood and guts guy Bills fans would just love. And I feel he is a grown-up in a way Dareus and Hughes might not be yet. I think he could make the money we are already committed to spend on our line. Him and Sanu would truly let us draft BPA, and I think it is doable. With our first -- see a tackle you like, a linebacker that can get to the flat, a safety that would make a difference, you can grab the best athlete without drafting for need. Love our Bills more than anything in sports (and some things outside of sports that I should probably value more highly than the Bills. Like food). I think we have cap manuevability, if not space. Using it wisely could make all the difference. Plus another solid draft and we could be really close. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 That is very kind All-Pro. Probably being too pushy on my Wilkerson point, but I really think he is so perfect for this squad. I believe (but no one wants me as GM, sadly), he alone would be a game-changer on D. And he is young, a gamer (was "questionable" for our game when he broke his leg), not a prima donna, not a money whore. He is a blood and guts guy Bills fans would just love. And I feel he is a grown-up in a way Dareus and Hughes might not be yet. I think he could make the money we are already committed to spend on our line. Him and Sanu would truly let us draft BPA, and I think it is doable. With our first -- see a tackle you like, a linebacker that can get to the flat, a safety that would make a difference, you can grab the best athlete without drafting for need. Love our Bills more than anything in sports (and some things outside of sports that I should probably value more highly than the Bills. Like food). I think we have cap manuevability, if not space. Using it wisely could make all the difference. Plus another solid draft and we could be really close. D I feel u buddy, I sleep thinking Bills wake up thinking Bills. I think I might have a problem lol. My wife thinks I'm crazy. But I love this team. I think as Bills fans we crave for those days bk in the 90's so much like something is missing. Sometimes I feel like if we just won a SuperBowl we wouldn't be this way, it wouldn't feel like a drug just a gm. Idk maybe I am crazy, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 I agree - I often say if we ever won, it just wouldn't be the same anymore. Not that I wouldn't take it in a heartbeat! For Russert, for everyone who has rooted for them for decades -- just one. As Russert would say, Dallas doesn't need it, Miami and New York don't need it. Maybe Buffalo doesn't NEED it either, but it sure deserves it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 why would the jets let wilkerson walk? And dont say because they have Richardson, he is a basket case and may end up in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 why would the jets let wilkerson walk? And dont say because they have Richardson, he is a basket case and may end up in jail. A long term deal is still the most likely IMO, but even if they don't they'll tag him (and possibly trade him, but certainly not within the division). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Mo Wilk would be good, but I'm not sure we should overpay to get him especially with that injury in the final game. It looked bad from what I saw. Sanu I like, ditto with Jones. I really would want Von Miller but that ain't happening. He's a guy we should overpay to get. Do you really want to cut Corey? I'd rather draft a safety or sign one in FA and have him as depth. Then cut Leodis or trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Now that Whaley signed a extension its time for him to get to work. I would love to add Moe Wilk but probably won't fit into future caps. We need flexability to resign Gilmore, Cordy and Incog and other possible free agents heading into the future like TT. Its time to add role players via free agency, young cheap hungry players that fill roles. I think Sanu would be a great addition for the right price 3/4 mil per yr. Another WR i would love to sign for cheap i mean vet min cheap is Brain Quick he's a possible dust settle guy . BQ is a big, fast WR that reminds me a lot of Eric Moulds. In 2014 he had a great string of games before injuring his knee. When next season starts BQ would be 18 months removed from that injury and should be close or bk to 100% of his 2014 form. This kid has the tools at 6-3 220lbs 25yrs old can possibly battle for #2 WR on this team and for vet min which i fully expect after the awful season he just had in STL can be an absolute steal on a 1yr prove it deal. Other possible Wrs for great Value i wouldn't mind seeing the Bills sign Jermaine Kearse 3-4 mil per, Travis Benjamin 3-5 mil, Marvin Jones 4-6 mil per. Rishard Matthews 3-4 mil. What would be great is the Bills sign one of these guys and still draft a WR in 2nd/3rd round depending on who is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 Future cap could work with Wilkerson due to cap increases. If he were available, I think he would be a more important signing than Glenn or Incognito, and comparable to Gilmore. I agree with poster KD in CT that Wilkerson could get tagged even if not signed, Daily News reporting on that today. Speculating on "tag and trade" strategy, which would mean he ain't coming to us. But that has a lot of risk for Jets if no trading partner. I tend to agree with Peterpan that I would rather have Mo than Richardson, but Jets beat guy Mehta says today in paper Richardson likely has more upside due to greater rush ability. Plus Harrison is a FA, plus Leonard Williams has fit the bill. Probably doesn't come available, but I would do what it takes if he does. Receivers - no thanks on small speed guys (Benjamin), agree with earlier poster Bungs likely sign Jones. Kearse and Mathews could be interesting, rather have Sanu. How cheap could Bouldin be? Old as heck, but could be a Lofton-esque play, he could teach Dez Lewis how to play and help Sammy/Woods further development. Any opposition to cutting Goodwin? I have no hope for him at this point. Would not overpay for Hogan, though I like him. I don't know how dead his career is after injury, but I thought Easley could possibly have been developed as the big possession guy if they gave him a chance. Enough speed to get deep too (kind of a Tasker-like transition from special teams ace), but it is probably a pipe dream. Of what we have and what is out there, I keep coming back to Sanu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 When did Whaley say they would possibly make one splash signing on defense? Everything I've read which he started saying last year was the Bills wouldn't be players in free agency this year as they would be concentrating on extending their own players. I really like Wilkerson but there is zero chance of Bills signing him unless he is willing to take s big discount just to play with Rex again which I highly doubt. I would expect more Manny Lawson type signings nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Mohamed is the most common name in the world! and your point is what exactly relative to what is being discussed in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 Whaley said that in substance in interview right around when season ended. Don't remember if he said "splash" -- probably more football speak like "impact" or "signficant", but the tone suggested to me he had someone/small group of someones in mind. We don't need Wilkerson to take a Rex discount to sign him in my view. But I do agree the chances of him hitting FA are less than 50%, perhaps much less. I view Sanu as Lawson-like., Probably comparable in terms of year-adjusted money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The TSW capologists are twitching Sure are. He's not at all realistic. Over the cap has his expected contract at 5 years, $73M-$79M. That is way too rich for the Bills. http://overthecap.com/2016-nfl-free-agency-defensive-ends-overview/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 Just read another article that "key" to Jets front is Harrison run-stuff in middle, and would use tag on him if they don't get a deal. Interesting, can't tag him and Mo and they do have Williams and need to sign Richardson. One of those Jets - Wilkerson or Harrison - could easily be gone. I think even likely, but admittedly hard to see Jets keeping undrafted Harrison over Mo Wilkerson. But they are the Jets! I would do whatever it takes to get 'er done if he comes available. Not necessarily too rich for Bills. Minus Mario, minus Kyle - he is covered. Would I trade those two Williams for Wilkerson? Absolutely. Can you find enough in the other guys for Glenn and Incognito? Not sure, what do you think Glenn gets? How much does cap go up in 2017, 18 and 19. History is signing quality guys at market looks cheap due to cap accretion. Need to get Tyrod done if he performs of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Just read another article that "key" to Jets front is Harrison run-stuff in middle, and would use tag on him if they don't get a deal. Interesting, can't tag him and Mo and they do have Williams and need to sign Richardson. One of those Jets - Wilkerson or Harrison - could easily be gone. I think even likely, but admittedly hard to see Jets keeping undrafted Harrison over Mo Wilkerson. But they are the Jets! I would do whatever it takes to get 'er done if he comes available.i have seen reports going back to last year from NYJ media that they do not plan to sign or tag Wilkerson. As far as Harrison, he only played about 50 percent of snaps but may not be too pricey as a NT so could see them keeping him. I wouldn't mind signing either one but think we could get a cheaper NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 I agree. I don't think Harrison is unique really - effective tubs of goo can be had in 3rd round. Wilkerson is the more unusual talent - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Personally I am not sure the best strategy for the Bills overall is to focus on recreating the 2014 Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share Posted January 11, 2016 For those that say "we can't afford Mo, no way no how" -- I just don't see it. I threw this out before for comment, and since have gone to Over the Cap to check. I suggested we could clear $30 million cutting non-core vets and restructuring Clay (which I regard as a certainty). Looking at it more closely, it is more like $40 million we could clear with post June 1 cuts plus that restructuring. Mario and Kyle alone are $21 million. Leodis, Graham, Lawson and Carpenter and are another $12.3 million. Clay restructuring is at least five. That is 38.3 million without straining. Easily enough to get Wilkerson (assume $15, worst case), Cordy ($11?), and Ritchie done ($3.5). And you only spent $29.5. Give me a Sanu for $3.75 and we will do what we can try to keep some combination of Leodis, Graham or Kyle with pay cuts or incentive deals for the remaining $5 million - but really couldn't care if we kept none of those. Makes us younger and better. Mo = 26, Sanu = 27. And if you strain a little there is easily another $5 million in there among the Goodwin, Duke Williams, Urbik level of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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