Storm Front Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Guys, this ball stuff is probably just the tip of the iceberg. They have probably been cheating in so many ways during Belicheck's reign. Next man up, Patriot way. Whatever. The man is both a cheater and a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Well I guess Peyton Manning cheats too...because 1. Peyton is the one who spear headed this rule change, other QBs including Aaron Rogers have already credited Manning, not Brady, with this change. 2. Manning teams fumble at a comparable rate to Brady led teams. Therefore, Manning also deflates footballs. And the most annoying thing about this study is that it doesn't break down the other 31 teams individually...so its comparing one teams rate with an average of the rest of the league which is stupid and skewed. If you take 32 individuals, then compare the best individual to the average of the other 31, there is going to be a big discreprency, especially if the the lower tier is significantly worse. This study does not show NE as an abnormally because we don't know if any other teams have reasonably similar fumble rates. If 3 teams have a similar fumble rate, then the conclusion that its just the Patriots and must be cheating can't be concluded unless you assume they all cheat. Furthermore, we already know that Peyton led teams fumble at a similar rate a the Pats, in fact the difference is barely noticeable. You & Mr Weo should just join a Pats board & be done here. From reading your posts for many years it is obvious both of you are Patriot fans trying to get a rise out of everybody on this board. Edited January 28, 2015 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 HOF Watkins too plz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Food for thought for people thinking something's amiss about Brady's helmet. Caught this snippet in a Bloomberg article discussing helmet safety ratings: Twenty-one starters in Super Bowl XLIX will wear five-star helmets, mostly Riddell Revolution Speeds. Eleven will don Schutt AiR XP Pros, which have yet to be rated, though the company believes they’d garner four stars. For reasons unknown, New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady trusts his brain to a one-star Riddell VSR4. Whether five-star helmets actually reduce the number of on-the-field concussions more than four- or even three-star models is undetermined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Well it looks like we'll be waiting awhile. The lawfirm the league hired to investigate just said that it will take "at least a couple more weeks" until their investigation wraps up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 What was the PSI rule before they let teams manage their own balls? If it was higher than the prescribed minimum of 12.5, the drop off in fumbles could be explained by Brady specifying the lower parameter. Some QBs like rodgers we learned specify the high point of the range, which I think is 14. That 1.5 differential is what they're claiming pats deflated the balls by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Since 2007, the Pats basically never fumbled at home: Based on the assumption that plays per fumble follow a normal distribution, youd expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten since 2007 once in 5842 instances. Which in laymans terms means that this result only being a coincidence, is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0001711874 probability to win. In other words, its very unlikely that results this abnormal are only due to the endogenous nature of the game. http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Tom's attorney says all these facts and numbers and things are part of a conspiracy to frame him. Stop being mean to Tommy. Part of me wants to see Tom sit down for a while, part of me wants Dareus to sit down hard on Tom. I'm torn. Hoping for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Tom's attorney says all these facts and numbers and things are part of a conspiracy to frame him. Stop being mean to Tommy. Part of me wants to see Tom sit down for a while, part of me wants Dareus to sit down hard on Tom. I'm torn. Hoping for both. If Dareus tears Brady in two, you can have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 And that would be a bee-oo-tee-full thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Since 2007, the Pats basically never fumbled at home: http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007 I have sited that a few times in a couple of threads. Brady and Manning in 2006 lobbied for each team to control their own balls during the game since then the Cheatriots have had the fewest fumbles in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Since 2007, the Pats basically never fumbled at home: http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007 this is what NFL network, ESPN and radio talk shows should be talking about.....again more about what moves the needle than what should be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Since 2007, the Pats basically never fumbled at home: http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007 Hell of a read, thanks for linking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Tom's attorney says all these facts and numbers and things are part of a conspiracy to frame him. Stop being mean to Tommy. Part of me wants to see Tom sit down for a while, part of me wants Dareus to sit down hard on Tom. I'm torn. Hoping for both. Dear members of the jury: we have all seen in crystal clarity in this court of law that my client, OJ Simpson, had his DNA all over the 2 victims and the crime scene. In turn, the DNA of both victims was all over my client, and his vehicle as well, and evidence found inside the defendant's home! Never mind all that. If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. And let's be honest, that glove seems a bit tight, doesn't it!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Dear members of the jury: we have all seen in crystal clarity in this court of law that my client, OJ Simpson, had his DNA all over the 2 victims and the crime scene. In turn, the DNA of both victims was all over my client, and his vehicle as well, and evidence found inside the defendant's home! Never mind all that. If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. And let's be honest, that glove seems a bit tight, doesn't it!? Since the police, and later OJ, failed to find the actual killer (after a thorough search of golf courses everywhere), it makes me wonder where Tommy was that fateful night..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 this is what NFL network, ESPN and radio talk shows should be talking about.....again more about what moves the needle than what should be said. Kudos on the needle reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I have sited that a few times in a couple of threads. Brady and Manning in 2006 lobbied for each team to control their own balls during the game since then the Cheatriots have had the fewest fumbles in the league. Threads on this topic are bound to have a lot of overlapping redundancy of repeated things stated over and over time and time again... and then restated with an echo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Threads on this topic are bound to have a lot of overlapping redundancy of repeated things stated over and over time and time again... and then restated with an echo. What he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 As much as I hate the pats*, this isnt exactly "proof." This is a demonstration that somewhere down the line, they got really good at protecting the football. I'm sure they've been deflating balls occasionally for some time now, but you cant just point to astronomically good stats as proof they must be cheating the entire time. Just sayin. On the other hand, those text messages are pretty damning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeck Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Tom's attorney says all these facts and numbers and things are part of a conspiracy to frame him. Stop being mean to Tommy. Part of me wants to see Tom sit down for a while, part of me wants Dareus to sit down hard on Tom. I'm torn. Hoping for both. The problem is Brady probably won't be suspended for cheating during actual games but Dareus will be suspended for minor off the field indiscretions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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