FireChan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) So he somehow proved himself worthy of starting 30 more games by his play over his first 16 games, despite having a nearly identical winning percentage, completion percentage, TD/INT ratio, QB rating, and YPA, to EJ over that time period? Do you honestly think that? Because that, to me, sounds crazy. His first 14 games were in his rookie year. He continued to elevate in his second year. So yes, he got more games after his first 14, and proved more. Then he got another 16 and proved even more. It's a direct relationship between Ryan Tannehill's positive performances, and how many games he's played. Edited July 23, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 His first 14 games were in his rookie year. He continued to elevate in his second year. So yes, he got more games after his first 14, and proved more. Then he got another 16 and proved even more. It's a direct relationship between Ryan Tannehill's positive performances, and how many games he's played. If he was the Bills qb last year,after 4 games where he had identical stats to EJ, the majority of fans would have wanted him benched. Just like the majority of Fin fans and media did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) If he was the Bills qb last year,after 4 games where he had identical stats to EJ, the majority of fans would have wanted him benched. Just like the majority of Fin fans and media did. Remember that quote about things you don't know? Edited July 23, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 His first 14 games were in his rookie year. He continued to elevate in his second year. So yes, he got more games after his first 14, and proved more. Then he got another 16 and proved even more. It's a direct relationship between Ryan Tannehill's positive performances, and how many games he's played. I see. So suppose Tannehill had a similar situation to EJ, where he started off winning games and playing efficiently in year 2, and then hit a rough patch where his play suffered and the team lost multiple games in a row. Do you think his coach would've (or should've) bench him? Wait...never mind that question. Don't bother answering. It happened: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/gamelog/ Miami strarted 3-0 in 2013, then Tannehill's play took a big hit, and as a result they lost 4 straight games. During that stretch, his completion percentage dipped down into the low 50s, his QB rating dropped to below 80, and he had 2 consecutive games with a YPA below 5.3. Exactly what part of that involved him continuing to prove himself and earning more starts? Was it the inconsistency, the losing record, or the declining performances? It seems you're talking yourself into something of a circle here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Remember that quote about things you don't know? It's true and you know. http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24720927/report-dolphins-could-bench-ryan-tannehill-joe-philbin-non-committal If anyone can find it (and I tried) , there was a thread on here after the benching of Tannehill talk started. The majority of fans were in favor it. FYI, I stay consistent and said they should keep starting RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I see. So suppose Tannehill had a similar situation to EJ, where he started off winning games and playing efficiently in year 2, and then hit a rough patch where his play suffered and the team lost multiple games in a row. Do you think his coach would've (or should've) bench him? Wait...never mind that question. Don't bother answering. It happened: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/gamelog/ Miami strarted 3-0 in 2013, then Tannehill's play took a big hit, and as a result they lost 4 straight games. During that stretch, his completion percentage dipped down into the low 50s, his QB rating dropped to below 80, and he had 2 consecutive games with a YPA below 5.3. Exactly what part of that involved him continuing to prove himself and earning more starts? Was it the inconsistency, the losing record, or the declining performances? It seems you're talking yourself into something of a circle here. He didn't have a game as bad as the Houston one. He also was a better prospect. It's true and you know. http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24720927/report-dolphins-could-bench-ryan-tannehill-joe-philbin-non-committal If anyone can find it (and I tried) , there was a thread on here after the benching of Tannehill talk started. The majority of fans were in favor it. FYI, I stay consistent and said they should keep starting RT. He wasn't the Bills QB last year. You can't possibly know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 He didn't have a game as bad as the Houston one. He also was a better prospect. He wasn't the Bills QB last year. You can't possibly know. Now I'm not going to sit here and say that EJ played well in the Houston game. But 21/44 for 225 yards with 2TD and 2INT, while not a great (or even good) performance, is not among the worst performances ever. And for comparison, I'll give you Tannehill's stats from a MIA loss to GB .. 20/31 for 244 yards with 2TD and 2INT. Better that EJ's HOU game? Yes. By a lot? Hell no. And the Bills lost the HOU game because of play calling and defense, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 He didn't have a game as bad as the Houston one. He also was a better prospect. Last game of the losing streak was nearly identical: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013102703/2013/REG8/dolphins@patriots#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap2000000270974&tab=analyze http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554212 As to the better prospect: Manuel had started for 2+ seasons and played in 4 bowl games (and won all of them), while Tannehill was a WR until his Junior year, and had 1 year of starting experience. Tannehill (JR) - 13GS, 7-6 record, 327 comp/531 att (61.6%), 29 TD, 15 INT, 3,744 yds, 7.1 YPA Manuel (SR) - 14GS, 12-2 record, 263 comp/387 att (68%), 23 TD, 10 INT, 3,397 yds, 8.8 YPA I'm actually surprised right now; you're not normally so dug in on what appears to be an indefensible stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Last game of the losing streak was nearly identical: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013102703/2013/REG8/dolphins@patriots#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap2000000270974&tab=analyze http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554212 As to the better prospect: Manuel had started for 2+ seasons and played in 4 bowl games (and won all of them), while Tannehill was a WR until his Junior year, and had 1 year of starting experience. Tannehill (JR) - 13GS, 7-6 record, 327 comp/531 att (61.6%), 29 TD, 15 INT, 3,744 yds, 7.1 YPA Manuel (SR) - 14GS, 12-2 record, 263 comp/387 att (68%), 23 TD, 10 INT, 3,397 yds, 8.8 YPA I'm actually surprised right now; you're not normally so dug in on what appears to be an indefensible stance. Stats of the last two games may have been identical, but EJ's was worse, based on his correct reads and refusal to throw due to a lack of confidence. I'm probably a little biased because I always liked Tanny more than EJ, TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Stats of the last two games may have been identical, but EJ's was worse, based on his correct reads and refusal to throw due to a lack of confidence. I'm probably a little biased because I always liked Tanny more than EJ, TBH. Welp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Stats of the last two games may have been identical, but EJ's was worse, based on his correct reads and refusal to throw due to a lack of confidence. I'm probably a little biased because I always liked Tanny more than EJ, TBH. Good of you to own up to that...I do wonder: did you watch the Tannehill-NE game to which I'm referring? If so, do you remember it well? I'm just unsure of how you can say that EJ was worse unless both were the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Good of you to own up to that...I do wonder: did you watch the Tannehill-NE game to which I'm referring? If so, do you remember it well? I'm just unsure of how you can say that EJ was worse unless both were the case. I'll admit I don't remember it that well. But it didn't stick in my head as much as Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I'll admit I don't remember it that well. But it didn't stick in my head as much as Houston. What sticks in my head for the Houston game is how awesome Fitzpatrick looked and how our offense was dominating with the run game before Nate inexplicably abandoned it. Too many people only remember the Watt (unblocked Watt) Pick-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) What sticks in my head for the Houston game is how awesome Fitzpatrick looked and how our offense was dominating with the run game before Nate inexplicably abandoned it. Too many people only remember the Watt (unblocked Watt) Pick-6. Dude come on man. Our running game wasn't that good, our defense played well and Fitzpatrick wasn't that good. Our o-line did suck, I'll give you that. And there were a few passes that should've been caught. But I don't only remember the Watt play. I also remember that Woods was targeted 12 times and had 3 catches for 17 yards. I'm trying to let this die but EJ Manuel was freaking miserable throughout that entire game. The Williams TD was a hell of a play by EJ but you take that out of the equation and you're looking at 43 attempts and 145 yards. Here's to hoping he improves, wins the job outright and becomes our guy. I'm officially pulling for him to win the job. But let's not try and sugarcoat the Houston game. Edited July 23, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Dude come on man. Our running game wasn't that good, our defense played well and Fitzpatrick wasn't that good. Our o-line did suck, I'll give you that. And there were a few passes that should've been caught. But I don't only remember the Watt play. I also remember that Woods was targeted 12 times and had 3 catches for 17 yards. I'm trying to let this die but EJ Manuel was freaking miserable throughout that entire game. The Williams TD was a hell of a play by EJ but you take that out of the equation and you're looking at 43 attempts and 145 yards. Here's to hoping he improves, wins the job outright and becomes our guy. I'm officially pulling for him to win the job. But let's not try and sugarcoat the Houston game. I agree with Metz here..... Fitz struggled.....and made plays here and there The Running game was NOT that good The thing that sticks out to me (especially because I just rewatched it) was the amount of DROPPED PASSES in that game......catchable dropped passes Sammy had a bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I see. So suppose Tannehill had a similar situation to EJ, where he started off winning games and playing efficiently in year 2, and then hit a rough patch where his play suffered and the team lost multiple games in a row. Do you think his coach would've (or should've) bench him? Wait...never mind that question. Don't bother answering. It happened: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/gamelog/ Miami strarted 3-0 in 2013, then Tannehill's play took a big hit, and as a result they lost 4 straight games. During that stretch, his completion percentage dipped down into the low 50s, his QB rating dropped to below 80, and he had 2 consecutive games with a YPA below 5.3. Exactly what part of that involved him continuing to prove himself and earning more starts? Was it the inconsistency, the losing record, or the declining performances? It seems you're talking yourself into something of a circle here. IMO, the reason that T looked improved last year is that they went to a short passing game. He still doesn't like to throw long. Ask Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 you know reading is so much nicer with this option This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by FireChan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 What sticks in my head for the Houston game is how awesome Fitzpatrick looked and how our offense was dominating with the run game before Nate inexplicably abandoned it. Too many people only remember the Watt (unblocked Watt) Pick-6. White wash city. Dominant running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 His first 14 games were in his rookie year. He continued to elevate in his second year. So yes, he got more games after his first 14, and proved more. Then he got another 16 and proved even more. It's a direct relationship between Ryan Tannehill's positive performances, and how many games he's played. You do realize that in Tanny's initial years he had people talking about whether he would ever be a legit starting QB........do you remember that talk? Coming from the teams own fans to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) It's true and you know. http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24720927/report-dolphins-could-bench-ryan-tannehill-joe-philbin-non-committal If anyone can find it (and I tried) , there was a thread on here after the benching of Tannehill talk started. The majority of fans were in favor it. FYI, I stay consistent and said they should keep starting RT. I seem to vaguely recall us gleefully commenting on a Dolphins fan thread after the away game in 2013 after Mario had strip sacked Tanny to set up the win in the final minutes, and Robey had a pick 6. The Dolphin fans were furious. Again, no where does this guarantee that EJ will walk into training camp and everything will click, and that he will be the unquestioned starter, and afterwards never lose a game for us. I'm just saying that we are looking at two very athletic raw prospects with a lot of theoretically upside had a rough starts in their first 14 games. One was able to make the jump after about 30 games. The other is at 14. Edited July 23, 2015 by WhitewalkerInPhilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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