Ozymandius Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Let met get this straight. The "conservative" base is upset over their dalliances with Bachmann, Santorum, and Gingrich, and now are turning to Trump as their savior? Maybe the problem IS this base, which thought that Bachmann, Santorum, and Gingrich were viable candidates, and compared to them, Trump is a savant? Not quite. The base is upset at the Republican Party. The divide is as wide as it's ever been. Trump, while a flawed candidate, is the best chance the base has had to defeat the establishment candidate in a long time. Partly because he appeals not just to the base, as polling has showed. I don't know if that makes him a "savant"/"savior", but we are enjoying having a fighting chance and his lambasting of the establishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I'd say its a huge problem right now. And both parties are more interested in how this can be used to benefit them than fixing it. The only way to fix it is by limiting the size and scope of government. Influence is a commodity, and as long as it exists, it will be purchased. That may be a hard truth, but it is exactly what it is. When you empower government to interfere on behalf of interest groups, which is the definition of activist government, it will do so, and the various interest groups will get in line to purchase. Edited August 24, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Let met get this straight. The "conservative" base is upset over their dalliances with Bachmann, Santorum, and Gingrich, and now are turning to Trump as their savior? Maybe the problem IS this base, which thought that Bachmann, Santorum, and Gingrich were viable candidates, and compared to them, Trump is a savant? There are two bases that derive from the tea party, one is the one that has a focus on government overreach and the debt and the other that has an incessant obsession over immigration policies. I've truly begun seeing this over the years, someone like a Rubio who has top notch conservative bonafides, has a nearly perfect score by the Conservative groups who keep score on these things, which means that he is viewed as a solid conservative by any reasonable standard, when he began attempting to fix the immigration system. Holy ****! You should have read the comments section about him. I remember reading all these comments from these people calling him a spik, anchor baby, telling him to go home, that he's a traitor, a sellout, a liberal you name it. From being a solid conservative on every issue, to this. And this wasn't just a few of them, this was literally thousands of people posting this in just about every article that Rubio was in. I'm telling you right now, there is no more vitriolic bunch of people that are involved in the politics than this group. They are absolutely the worst. You don't have to take it from me, even Glenn Beck, Harsanyi, Ben Domenech, Matt Walsh, Krauthammer and others will tell you, that the comments coming from the Trump supporters, who are the exact people that I'm referring to are a mean, angry bunch. The point is that these are no longer people who care about Conservatism nearly as much as they care about immigration. And Trump is proof positive of that. Not quite. The base is upset at the Republican Party. The divide is as wide as it's ever been. Trump, while a flawed candidate, is the best chance the base has had to defeat the establishment candidate in a long time. Partly because he appeals not just to the base, as polling has showed. I don't know if that makes him a "savant"/"savior", but we are enjoying having a fighting chance and his lambasting of the establishment. A fighting chance to become a far right group like we see in Europe? Edited August 24, 2015 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Not quite. The base is upset at the Republican Party. The divide is as wide as it's ever been. Trump, while a flawed candidate, is the best chance the base has had to defeat the establishment candidate in a long time. Partly because he appeals not just to the base, as polling has showed. I don't know if that makes him a "savant"/"savior", but we are enjoying having a fighting chance and his lambasting of the establishment. And Opus Dei priests and Shiite sects believe in self flagellation. Doesn't mean it's good policy. Keep thinking that resurrecting the Know Nothing Party is the right step forward. Perhaps you guys don't belong in the GOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 A fighting chance to become a far right group like we see in Europe? These are actually far left groups, but yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 And Opus Dei priests and Shiite sects believe in self flagellation. Doesn't mean it's good policy. Keep thinking that resurrecting the Know Nothing Party is the right step forward. Perhaps you guys don't belong in the GOP There should be more than two political parties...I don't identify with these people. AT ALL! These are actually far left groups, but yes. You are right. They have many autocratic beliefs, but they are referred to as "far right". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 You are right. They have many autocratic beliefs, but they are referred to as "far right". It's a deliberate attempt by leftists to disassociate themselves with the final outcomes of their policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 That the comments coming from the Trump supporters, who are the exact people that I'm referring to are a mean, angry bunch. Just as an aside, on HBO right now is a mini-series called "Show Me a Hero" about an attempt to put public housing in Yonkers in 1989. The mean, angry types are the background noise to the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 The point is that these are no longer people who care about Conservatism nearly as much as they care about immigration. And Trump is proof positive of that. Don't flatter yourself. Trump is polling at 32% according to the latest Reuters poll. Single-issue voters can't possibly account for 30% polling. Dissatisfaction with the GOP bending over for Obama after the previous mid-terms can. And Opus Dei priests and Shiite sects believe in self flagellation. Doesn't mean it's good policy. Keep thinking that resurrecting the Know Nothing Party is the right step forward. Perhaps you guys don't belong in the GOP Again, you guys are misunderstanding that immigration is the only issue here. The pork-filled Cromnibus bill and the handling of the Iran deal revealed the GOP to be completely corrupt and stupid. Many voters just don't trust the establishment anymore. "Governing" shouldn't mean capitulating to Obama on everything. There should be more than two political parties...I don't identify with these people. AT ALL! This could be where we're headed. I don't consider myself to be a Republican, and neither should you or anyone else. Political parties are just a tool, and sometimes they outlast their usefulness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 It's a deliberate attempt by leftists to disassociate themselves with the final outcomes of their policies. I think it's important to note, that these groups were center right in the political spectrum and transformed themselves into these fringe groups that are essentially irrelevant in the political process. That's why in Europe, the groups that dominate are center left to socialistic forms of governments. In other words, just different shades of the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Just as an aside, on HBO right now is a mini-series called "Show Me a Hero" about an attempt to put public housing in Yonkers in 1989. The mean, angry types are the background noise to the show. David Simon kindly asks that you refrain from citing his work in your posts. He does not wish to be associated with your particular brand of idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Don't flatter yourself. Trump is polling at 32% according to the latest Reuters poll. Single-issue voters can't possibly account for 30% polling. Dissatisfaction with the GOP bending over for Obama after the previous mid-terms can. Again, you guys are misunderstanding that immigration is the only issue here. The pork-filled Cromnibus bill and the handling of the Iran deal revealed the GOP to be completely corrupt and stupid. Many voters just don't trust the establishment anymore. "Governing" shouldn't mean capitulating to Obama on everything. The immigration issue is his biggest drawing card next to the perfect role as the carnival barker corralling in the latest sucker who was born last minute. Exactly what do you people see in Trump's background to make him a viable conservative candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 David Simon kindly asks that you refrain from citing his work in your posts. He does not wish to be associated with your particular brand of idiocy. But you can feel free to cite Joe Esterhaz, Roland Emmerich, or Michael Bay, gatorman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 David Simon kindly asks that you refrain from citing his work in your posts. He does not wish to be associated with your particular brand of idiocy. Nor do I wish to be associated with your lowlife perspective, but it's the cross I have to be burdened with posting her. Please go play in traffic and get run over, it would be for the general good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 There are two bases that derive from the tea party, one is the one that has a focus on government overreach and the debt and the other that has an incessant obsession over immigration policies. I've truly begun seeing this over the years, someone like a Rubio who has top notch conservative bonafides, has a nearly perfect score by the Conservative groups who keep score on these things, which means that he is viewed as a solid conservative by any reasonable standard, when he began attempting to fix the immigration system. Holy ****! You should have read the comments section about him. I remember reading all these comments from these people calling him a spik, anchor baby, telling him to go home, that he's a traitor, a sellout, a liberal you name it. From being a solid conservative on every issue, to this. And this wasn't just a few of them, this was literally thousands of people posting this in just about every article that Rubio was in. I'm telling you right now, there is no more vitriolic bunch of people that are involved in the politics than this group. They are absolutely the worst. You don't have to take it from me, even Glenn Beck, Harsanyi, Ben Domenech, Matt Walsh, Krauthammer and others will tell you, that the comments coming from the Trump supporters, who are the exact people that I'm referring to are a mean, angry bunch. The point is that these are no longer people who care about Conservatism nearly as much as they care about immigration. And Trump is proof positive of that. A fighting chance to become a far right group like we see in Europe? I think the highlighted segment fits everyone right now. All sides in this country are angry with each other and that plays right into the hands of those who want to remain in power The only way to fix it is by limiting the size and scope of government. Influence is a commodity, and as long as it exists, it will be purchased. That may be a hard truth, but it is exactly what it is. When you empower government to interfere on behalf of interest groups, which is the definition of activist government, it will do so, and the various interest groups will get in line to purchase. Aside from a complete reset, do you think this is possible? A small group of people have power and it appears it will be difficult to take it from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 There are two bases that derive from the tea party, one is the one that has a focus on government overreach and the debt and the other that has an incessant obsession over immigration policies. I've truly begun seeing this over the years, someone like a Rubio who has top notch conservative bonafides, has a nearly perfect score by the Conservative groups who keep score on these things, which means that he is viewed as a solid conservative by any reasonable standard, when he began attempting to fix the immigration system. Holy ****! You should have read the comments section about him. I remember reading all these comments from these people calling him a spik, anchor baby, telling him to go home, that he's a traitor, a sellout, a liberal you name it. From being a solid conservative on every issue, to this. And this wasn't just a few of them, this was literally thousands of people posting this in just about every article that Rubio was in. I'm telling you right now, there is no more vitriolic bunch of people that are involved in the politics than this group. They are absolutely the worst. You don't have to take it from me, even Glenn Beck, Harsanyi, Ben Domenech, Matt Walsh, Krauthammer and others will tell you, that the comments coming from the Trump supporters, who are the exact people that I'm referring to are a mean, angry bunch. The point is that these are no longer people who care about Conservatism nearly as much as they care about immigration. And Trump is proof positive of that. A fighting chance to become a far right group like we see in Europe? The nut jobs that are creating havoc and beating up a homeless man are not tea partiers. If you remember all the rallies that were attended by Tea Partiers, they were orderly and no trash was left behind. The only rabble rousing was done by plants from the left who were trying to make Tea Partiers out to be racist or extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Nor do I wish to be associated with your lowlife perspective, but it's the cross I have to be burdened with posting her. Please go play in traffic and get run over, it would be for the general good. You're posting who? Her? Who is she? I love that I'm a lowlife... what exactly have I said or done that puts me in that category in your mind? Or is that just obfuscating with facts by asking you direct questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 The immigration issue is his biggest drawing card next to the perfect role as the carnival barker corralling in the latest sucker who was born last minute. Immigration is a huge plank of his, no doubt. I think it accounts for about half of his 30%. The other half is a protest vote against the GOP's corruption, stupidity, and weakness. I think he can grow both planks. Exactly what do you people see in Trump's background to make him a viable conservative candidate? Au contraire, I see him as a viable MODERATE candidate who is anti-establishment and can win the general election, unlike the recently failed establishment guys. I think Trump will have surprising crossover appeal to working class blacks, independents tired of the BS of both parties, and young millennials that like his celebrity and style. Trump will have a lockdown on working class whites, and hopefully there will be enough cuckservative Republicans who will hold their nose and pull the lever for him to avoid a Hillary or Biden presidency. That's the coalition I think Trump can form, and I have bets with you and Magox that this coalition will win. I'm not the only one who thinks he can win in the general, btw: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 You're posting who? Her? Who is she? I love that I'm a lowlife... what exactly have I said or done that puts me in that category in your mind? Or is that just obfuscating with facts by asking you direct questions? He calls it a post, she calls it a pin prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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