Gary M Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 So how would it have been different if he bought the gun at Wal Mart? Or Gander Mountain? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Webster,_New_York_shooting "discovered that the Bushmaster rifle and the shotgun had been purchased in June 2010 at Gander Mountain in Henrietta, another Rochester suburb. The owner of record was Dawn Nguyen, a neighbor of Spengler, who had recently moved to the suburb of Greece. In an interview with agents that night, Nguyen admitted to buying the guns, but claimed they had then been stolen. However, according to investigators, Nguyen texted a Monroe County sheriff's deputy the next day and admitted buying the guns for Spengler in an illegal straw purchase" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 You've done no such thing. You said there was a gun show loophole and when asked what the problem was you said that someone else bought you a gun at a gun show as the example of the "broken" system that allowed this to happen. You never explained why this was evidence of a broken system and when I asked you how the transaction differed from one at a retail store (and thus not part of the "gun show loophole you spoke of) you respond with the garbage I just quoted. It looks like a less than gracious admission of defeat. It looks like the tried-and-true "obfuscating with detail" cop-out to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Amusing use of "whitewashed." States rights to preserve slavery. No slavery = no Civil War. no flag = no civil war No shirt, no shoes = no service No woman = no cry... It's not always that simple. History is written by winners and to think anyone won the Civil War is tragic. The cause, the circumstances and the results are all tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) no flag = no civil war No shirt, no shoes = no service No woman = no cry... It's not always that simple. History is written by winners and to think anyone won the Civil War is tragic. The cause, the circumstances and the results are all tragic. The result was not tragic, unless you consider the end of an entire subjugation of an entire race to be tragic. Edited June 24, 2015 by GreggyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 the results are all tragic. Preservation of the Union was tragic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Preservation of the Union was tragic? It's amazing how much people will stretch reality to fit their view of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The result was not tragic, unless you consider the end of an entire subjugation of an entire race to be tragic. That's a nice load of hyperbole. The ENTIRE race was not subjugated (ask Frederick Douglass), and the portion that was subjugated remained pretty much subjugated for another 80 years. It's amazing how much people will stretch reality to fit their view of the world. Tell me about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 That's a nice load of hyperbole. The ENTIRE race was not subjugated (ask Frederick Douglass), and the portion that was subjugated remained pretty much subjugated for another 80 years. Tell me about it... "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." And that government never did subjugate the entire race. Nor did that subjugation end with the end of the Civil War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/22/ben-carson-south-carolina-shooting-column/29074387/ "Let's call this sickness what it is, so we can get on with the healing. If this were a medical disease, and all the doctors recognized the symptoms but refused to make the diagnosis for fear of offending the patient, we could call it madness. But there are people who are claiming that they can lead this country who dare not call this tragedy an act of racism, a hate crime, for fear of offending a particular segment of the electorate." Ben Carson Edited June 24, 2015 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 And that government never did subjugate the entire race. Nor did that subjugation end with the end of the Civil War. Within the slaveholding states of the confederacy, they certainly tried. The entire form of government they were trying to fight for was based on the subjugation of of a "lesser race". To say that the results of the war were entirely tragic is to say that this form of government should have remained. It's not tragic the Confederacy lost. Not in any way shape or form. The loss of life, certainly tragic, but not the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/22/ben-carson-south-carolina-shooting-column/29074387/ "Let's call this sickness what it is, so we can get on with the healing. If this were a medical disease, and all the doctors recognized the symptoms but refused to make the diagnosis for fear of offending the patient, we could call it madness. But there are people who are claiming that they can lead this country who dare not call this tragedy an act of racism, a hate crime, for fear of offending a particular segment of the electorate." Ben Carson Of course the little killer was a racist. Hard to argue that he wasn't. Now, back to guns..................any figures on guns from gun shows used in attacks on other people? Or if that isn't available, how about legally possessed guns vs. illegally possessed guns in their use in attempted or actual murders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I'm still waiting to hear how the preservation of the Union was a tragic occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The beginning of Carson's article is on point: Not everything is about race in this country. But when it is about race, then it just is. It's all the things that are said to be racist when they are not that is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 It's all the things that are said to be racist when they are not that is the problem. Liberals. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Preservation of the Union was tragic? Yes, it was. "The Preservation of the Union" through force of arms did nothing more than subjugate the entire South to the interests of the North against their will. Any argument that the North was justified in doing this is exactly the same thing as a husband beating his wife and chaining her up in the basement with the logic that preserving their marriage was more important than her exercising her rights to leave him because she was unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/28/the-most-racist-places-in-america-according-to-google/ Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Yes, it was. "The Preservation of the Union" through force of arms did nothing more than subjugate the entire South to the interests of the North against their will. Any argument that the North was justified in doing this is exactly the same thing as a husband beating his wife and chaining her up in the basement with the logic that preserving their marriage was more important than her exercising her rights to leave him because she was unhappy. I disagree that's the most apt analogy. A better one would be if the husband were beating his wife, keeping her chained in the front yard where he would deliver his beatings, and the neighbors were forced to watch. Not doing anything would be almost as great of a sin as what the husband is committing against his wife. Sometimes to thwart a great evil -- and slavery in the Americas was unquestionably a great evil -- requires great force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/28/the-most-racist-places-in-america-according-to-google/ Heh. wow. so what's that little sliver of orange amidst all the red in wny? lewiston? youngstown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 wow. so what's that little sliver of orange amidst all the red in wny? lewiston? youngstown? Monroe and Wayne counties I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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